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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>, Jordan Justen <jljusten@gmail.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	KVM devel mailing list <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	seabios@seabios.org,
	qemu-devel qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
	ddutile@redhat.com, David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for 2013-05-28
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 08:04:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bo7rmhbp.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51A88D73.1090302@redhat.com>

Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com> writes:

> On 05/31/13 09:09, Jordan Justen wrote:
>
> Due to licensing differences I can't just port code from SeaBIOS to
> OVMF

<soapbox>

Fork OVMF, drop the fat module, and just add GPL code.  It's an easily
solvable problem.

Rewriting BSD implementations of everything is silly.  Every other
vendor that uses TianoCore has a proprietary fork.  Maintaining a GPL
fork seems just as reasonable.

</soapbox>

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

> (and I never have without explicit permission), so it's been a lot of
> back and forth with acpidump / iasl -d in guests (massage OVMF, boot
> guest, check guest dmesg / lspci, dump tables, compare, repeat), brain
> picking colleagues, the ACPI and PIIX specs and so on. I have a page on
> the RH intranet dedicated to this. When something around these parts is
> being changed (or looks like it could be changed) in SeaBIOS, or between
> qemu and SeaBIOS, I always must be alert and consider reimplementing it
> in, or porting it with permission to, OVMF. (Most recent example:
> pvpanic device -- currently only in SeaBIOS.)
>
> It worries me that if I slack off, or am busy with something else, or
> simply don't notice, then the gap will widen again. I appreciate
> learning a bunch about ACPI, and don't mind the days of work that went
> into some of my simple-looking ACPI patches for OVMF, but had the tables
> come from a common (programmatic) source, none of this would have been
> an issue, and I wouldn't have felt even occasionally that ACPI patches
> for OVMF were both duplicate work *and* futile (considering how much
> ahead SeaBIOS was).
>
> I don't mind reimplementing stuff, or porting it with permission, going
> forward, but the sophisticated parts in SeaBIOS are a hard nut. For
> example I'll never be able to auto-extract offsets from generated AML
> and patch the AML using those offsets; the edk2 build tools (a project
> separate from edk2) don't support this, and it takes several months to
> get a thing as simple as gcc-47 build flags into edk2-buildtools.
>
> Instead I have to write template ASL, compile it to AML, hexdump the
> result, verify it against the AML grammar in the ACPI spec (offsets
> aren't obvious, BytePrefix and friends are a joy), define & initialize a
> packed struct or array in OVMF, and patch the template AML using fixed
> field names or array subscripts. Workable, but dog slow. If the ACPI
> payload came from up above, we might be as well provided with a list of
> (canonical name, offset, size) triplets, and could perhaps blindly patch
> the contents. (Not unlike Michael's linker code for connecting tables
> into a hierarchy.)
>
> AFAIK most recently iasl got built-in support for offset extraction (and
> in the process the current SeaBIOS build method was broken...), so that
> part might get easier in the future.
>
> Oh well it's Friday, sorry about this rant! :) I'll happily do what I
> can in the current status quo, but frequently, it won't amount to much.
>
> Thanks,
> Laszlo

  reply	other threads:[~2013-05-31 13:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-05-23 12:41 [Qemu-devel] KVM call agenda for 2013-05-28 Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-24  3:02 ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " li guang
2013-05-28 23:53 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-29  8:45   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 16:12     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 16:19       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-30  6:37       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-06-02 15:05     ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Gleb Natapov
2013-06-02 15:09       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-02 15:40         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-06-02 15:53           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-03  6:25       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-29  8:49   ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-29  9:17     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29  9:42       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-29  9:46         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 16:18     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-29 16:28       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 18:17         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-29 16:35       ` Markus Armbruster
2013-05-30  1:12       ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-31 12:16         ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-30  6:12       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-30  9:23       ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-30 11:13         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 12:19           ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-30 12:27             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-30 12:43             ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 16:20             ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-30 16:41               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 16:57                 ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-30 17:37                   ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-30 17:45                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-31  9:32                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-31  9:55                   ` Peter Stuge
2013-05-31 23:01                   ` Jordan Justen
2013-06-03  5:28                     ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-30 17:44               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-31 12:09               ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-31 19:48                 ` Patrick Georgi
2013-05-29  9:54   ` [Qemu-devel] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-05-31  2:34   ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-31  7:09     ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31  8:13       ` [Qemu-devel] [SeaBIOS] " Peter Stuge
2013-05-31 10:05         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2013-05-31 13:03         ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-06-01  3:41         ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-05-31 11:45       ` [Qemu-devel] " Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 13:04         ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2013-05-31 14:08           ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-31 14:28             ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 15:43             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 16:33               ` David Woodhouse
2013-05-31 16:54                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 17:06                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 18:09                   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-05-31 18:35                     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 19:28                       ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 20:44                         ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 16:45               ` Laszlo Ersek
     [not found]           ` <51A8AD52.3070901@redhat.com>
2013-05-31 14:38             ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 16:36               ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-05-31 17:10                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 19:02               ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 20:27                 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 21:03                   ` Jordan Justen
2013-06-01  0:01                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2013-06-01  3:16                       ` Jordan Justen
2013-06-02  9:43         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2013-06-03  7:24           ` Jordan Justen
2013-05-31 12:58     ` Anthony Liguori
2013-05-31 13:02       ` David Woodhouse
2013-06-01  3:11       ` Kevin O'Connor
2013-06-02  9:54     ` Michael S. Tsirkin

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