From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, berrange@redhat.com, armbru@redhat.com,
Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>, Jim Fehlig <jfehlig@suse.com>,
Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 18/18] migration/ram: Add direct-io support to precopy file migration
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 15:08:02 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ed92c9vh.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87le3cwo9e.fsf@suse.de>
Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de> writes:
> Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 02:45:53PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
>>> >> AIUI, the issue here that users are already allowed to specify in
>>> >> libvirt the equivalent to direct-io and multifd independent of each
>>> >> other (bypass-cache, parallel). To start requiring both together now in
>>> >> some situations would be a regression. I confess I don't know libvirt
>>> >> code to know whether this can be worked around somehow, but as I said,
>>> >> it's a relatively simple change from the QEMU side.
>>> >
>>> > Firstly, I definitely want to already avoid all the calls to either
>>> > migration_direct_io_start() or *_finish(), now we already need to
>>> > explicitly call them in three paths, and that's not intuitive and less
>>> > readable, just like the hard coded rdma codes.
>>>
>>> Right, but that's just a side-effect of how the code is structured and
>>> the fact that writes to the stream happen in small chunks. Setting
>>> O_DIRECT needs to happen around aligned IO. We could move the calls
>>> further down into qemu_put_buffer_at(), but that would be four fcntl()
>>> calls for every page.
>>
>> Hmm.. why we need four fcntl()s instead of two?
>
> Because we need to first get the flags before flipping the O_DIRECT
> bit. And we do this once to enable and once to disable.
>
> int flags = fcntl(fioc->fd, F_GETFL);
> if (enabled) {
> flags |= O_DIRECT;
> } else {
> flags &= ~O_DIRECT;
> }
> fcntl(fioc->fd, F_SETFL, flags);
>
>>>
>>> A tangent:
>>> one thing that occured to me now is that we may be able to restrict
>>> calls to qemu_fflush() to internal code like add_to_iovec() and maybe
>>> use that function to gather the correct amount of data before writing,
>>> making sure it disables O_DIRECT in case alignment is about to be
>>> broken?
>>
>> IIUC dio doesn't require alignment if we don't care about perf? I meant it
>> should be legal to write(fd, buffer, 5) even if O_DIRECT?
>
> No, we may get an -EINVAL. See Daniel's reply.
>
>>
>> I just noticed the asserts you added in previous patch, I think that's
>> better indeed, but still I'm wondering whether we can avoid enabling it on
>> qemufile.
>>
>> It makes me feel slightly nervous when introducing dio to QEMUFile rather
>> than iochannels - the API design of QEMUFile seems to easily encourage
>> breaking things in dio worlds with a default and static buffering. And if
>> we're going to blacklist most of the API anyway except the new one for
>> mapped-ram, I start to wonder too why bother on top of QEMUFile anyway.
>>
>> IIRC you also mentioned in the previous doc patch so that libvirt should
>> always pass in two fds anyway to the fdset if dio is enabled. I wonder
>> whether it's also true for multifd=off and directio=on, then would it be
>> possible to use the dio for guest pages with one fd, while keeping the
>> normal stream to use !dio with the other fd. I'm not sure whether it's
>> easy to avoid qemufile in the dio fd, even if not looks like we may avoid
>> frequent fcntl()s?
>
> Hm, sounds like a good idea. We'd need a place to put that new ioc
> though. Either QEMUFile.direct_ioc and then make use of it in
> qemu_put_buffer_at() or a more transparent QIOChannelFile.direct_fd that
> gets set somewhere during file_start_outgoing_migration(). Let me try to
> come up with something.
I looked into this and it's cumbersome:
- We'd need to check migrate_direct_io() several times, once to get the
second fd and during every IO to know to use the fd.
- Even getting the second fd is not straight forward, we need to create
a new ioc for it with qio_channel_new_path(). But QEMUFile is generic
code, so we'd probably need to call this channel-file specific
function from migration_channel_connect().
- With the new ioc, do we put it in QEMUFile, or do we take the fd only?
Or maybe an ioc with two fds? Or a new QIOChannelDirect? All options
look bad to me.
So I suggest we proceed proceed with the 1 multifd channel approach,
passing 2 fds into QEMU just like we do for the n channels. Is that ok
from libvirt's perspective? I assume libvirt users are mostly interested
in _enabling_ parallelism with --parallel, instead of _avoiding_ it with
the ommision of the option, so main thread + 1 channel should not be a
bad thing.
Choosing to use 1 multifd channel now is also a gentler introduction for
when we finally move all of the vmstate migration into multifd (I've
been looking into this, but don't hold your breaths).
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-12 18:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-23 19:05 [PATCH v2 00/18] migration/mapped-ram: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 01/18] migration: Fix file migration with fdset Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-24 10:51 ` Prasad Pandit
2024-05-24 12:30 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-25 6:16 ` Prasad Pandit
2024-05-30 16:11 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 14:58 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:20 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 02/18] tests/qtest/migration: Fix file migration offset check Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 16:14 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-03 10:21 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 03/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add a precopy file test with fdset Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 16:18 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 04/18] monitor: Drop monitor_fdset_dup_fd_add() Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:26 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 05/18] monitor: Introduce monitor_fdset_*free Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 20:03 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:01 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 06/18] monitor: Stop removing non-duplicated fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:05 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:25 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:56 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-04 23:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2024-06-05 12:31 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 07/18] monitor: Simplify fdset and fd removal Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:58 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 08/18] monitor: Report errors from monitor_fdset_dup_fd_add Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:08 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 09/18] io: Stop using qemu_open_old in channel-file Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:10 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 10/18] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:12 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 11/18] migration/multifd: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:35 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:27 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 12/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add tests for file migration with direct-io Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 13/18] monitor: fdset: Match against O_DIRECT Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:41 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:42 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:58 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 14/18] migration: Add documentation for fdset with multifd + file Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:46 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 15/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add a test for mapped-ram with passing of fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:51 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 16/18] io/channel-file: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:32 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 17/18] migration: Add direct-io helpers Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] migration/ram: Add direct-io support to precopy file migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:56 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-07 18:42 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-07 20:39 ` Jim Fehlig
2024-06-10 16:09 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-10 17:45 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-10 19:02 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-10 19:07 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-10 20:12 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-12 18:08 ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2024-06-12 18:15 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-12 18:27 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-12 18:44 ` Fabiano Rosas
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