From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C6AC5DF62 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9352320869 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:43:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=redhat.com header.i=@redhat.com header.b="FDwmWVm6" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 9352320869 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Received: from localhost ([::1]:57224 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iSKfE-0000Lh-Rs for qemu-devel@archiver.kernel.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 07:43:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59577) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iSKeK-0008Ia-LG for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 07:43:01 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSKeI-0001Qh-31 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 07:43:00 -0500 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com ([207.211.31.120]:24178 helo=us-smtp-1.mimecast.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iSKeH-0001PN-Tg for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 07:42:57 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1573044176; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=QcoSnJV/XROrB9qvHyy7GqkQWJQhzfECWq9JgnH+xxA=; b=FDwmWVm6xKKn4Gn1jvDGWDSZmy0mXmSHPNjyppoBlxGp/msx1bWvZmJO6AdMQzkwAOEDS8 N5zq1kTyhX6iRZhHYKiuZCXLudXCEfR14zQAtFLvWW2lnWF1GB9twRJrIEgAFqjm49qf7N /petkGDFcIEX/vjQHIaXZAdUEejd0f0= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-207-RZviNECVO3WCnJ0YrwcZHw-1; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 07:42:53 -0500 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx02.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A1338017DD; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:42:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blackfin.pond.sub.org (unknown [10.36.118.123]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECCD760C88; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:42:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by blackfin.pond.sub.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 669A511385C9; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 13:42:50 +0100 (CET) From: Markus Armbruster To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org Subject: Re: [PULL v2 00/73] tcg plugins and testing updates References: <20191025063713.23374-1-alex.bennee@linaro.org> <87lft9rnfs.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> <87lft8lvdh.fsf@linaro.org> <874kzw60bp.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:42:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <874kzw60bp.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> (Markus Armbruster's message of "Fri, 25 Oct 2019 22:23:54 +0200") Message-ID: <87h83hqiph.fsf@dusky.pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.12 X-MC-Unique: RZviNECVO3WCnJ0YrwcZHw-1 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 207.211.31.120 X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: peter.maydell@linaro.org, Alex =?utf-8?Q?Benn=C3=A9e?= Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" Markus Armbruster writes: > Alex Benn=C3=A9e writes: > >> Markus Armbruster writes: >> >>> I hate to interfere with the merging of working code for non-technical >>> reasons.... >>> >>> This is a plugin interface. As I wrote in reply to v4, I'd like to see >>> a pragmatic argument why abuse of the plugin interface to circumvent th= e >>> GPL is not practical. This might include "not a stable interface", "yo= u >>> have to link with a truckload of gpl code", "the set of things you can >>> do is deliberately extremely limited". [...] >>> If merging this could be delayed until the licensing ramifications have >>> become a bit more clear, I'd be obliged. >> >> I'd rather not unless we can make an exception for late merging of the >> PR. I've worked quite hard to make sure everything is ready for the 4.2 >> window and I'd rather not miss a whole release cycle on a >> misunderstanding of what these plugins allow. > > I think there are multiple ways to avoid the nuclear outcome. > > Coming to a conclusion before the soft freeze is the nicest one. > > Making an exception for late merging is another one, but Peter may > prefer not to. > > Yet another one is merging the pull request before the soft freeze with > the understanding that it'll be reverted unless we come to a positive > conclusion before say -rc0 (Nov 5). I'm confident we can work it out in > Lyon. The series has since been merged, so just for the record: we did. The plugin interface looks useful for its stated purposes, yet pretty useless for GPL circumvention. We'll evolve it deliberately to preserve that property. Alex, thank you for your patience.