From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>, Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Cc: Michael Roth <mdroth@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
Jan Kiszka <jan.kiszka@siemens.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Luiz Capitulino <lcapitulino@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:50:06 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87har1orbl.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5051FE85.6070904@redhat.com>
Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> writes:
> On 09/13/2012 05:42 PM, Eric Blake wrote:
>> On 09/13/2012 08:34 AM, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>> On 09/13/2012 05:22 PM, Gleb Natapov wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It's much easier for us to call into qemu-ga to do the time correction
>>>>> whenever this event occurs than to try and have libvirt figure out when
>>>>> it's necessary.
>>>
>>>> And if guest does not have qemu-ga what is better inject interrupts like
>>>> crazy for next 2 minutes or leave guest with incorrect time?
>>>
>>> We can try to S3 and resume the guest. The guest will assume that it
>>> has slept for an unknown amount of time and resync from the RTC.
>>
>> Just restating to make sure I'm clear: you are proposing that after host
>> suspend and host wakeup, _then_ qemu asks the guest to go into S3
>> followed by an immediate resume. During the time that the guest goes
>> into S3, its clock is way off; but then the immediate resume will be the
>> necessary kick to the guest to resync, and at that point, the guest can
>> assume that it has been off since the host originally suspended (rather
>> than the instant window where qemu actually bounced S3 after the host
>> had already resumed).
>
> Correct. In theory we can shut down networking while this is happening
> so the guest can't tell it's in a time machine.
>
>>
>>> This may not work for really old server oriented guests.
>>
>> S3 requires guest cooperation, period. But so does qemu-ga. It's
>> better than nothing, and we can't get perfection without guest cooperation.
>
> qemu-ga requires either an admin/tool to install qemu-ga, or for qemu-ga
> to be preinstalled by the OS vendor. S3 requires S3 support to be
> provided by the host vendor, and for it to be functional. A
> significantly easier bar to clear.
We can easily generate an ISO that includes a pre-built version of
qemu-ga.
Plus, there's a whole variety of other features enabled once we can
assume qemu-ga is available. It's worth solving that problem.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
>
>
> --
> error compiling committee.c: too many arguments to function
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-09-13 15:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-09-12 13:54 [Qemu-devel] Rethinking missed tick catchup Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:21 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 14:44 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-12 14:50 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:06 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:42 ` Jan Kiszka
2012-09-12 15:45 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:16 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 15:15 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 18:19 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 10:49 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 13:14 ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 13:28 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2012-09-13 14:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:22 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 14:34 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:42 ` Eric Blake
2012-09-13 15:40 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:50 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-09-13 15:53 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 18:27 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-16 10:05 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-16 14:37 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-19 15:34 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:37 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:44 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-19 16:55 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-19 16:57 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 14:35 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 14:48 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 15:51 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 15:56 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:06 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 18:33 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 18:56 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-13 20:06 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-09-13 16:08 ` Avi Kivity
2012-09-13 13:47 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 16:27 ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 16:45 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 17:30 ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-12 18:13 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 19:45 ` Stefan Weil
2012-09-13 10:50 ` Gleb Natapov
2012-09-12 20:06 ` Michael Roth
2012-09-12 17:23 ` Luiz Capitulino
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-09-12 18:03 Clemens Kolbitsch
2012-09-13 6:25 ` Paolo Bonzini
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