From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>,
Josh Durgin <josh.durgin@inktank.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/2] rbd: link and load librbd dynamically
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 10:08:20 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ip3uctjv.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJSP0QWy1CUOX+BVB2kfXfRpcdPuwbywZ3tReo83zK23+B4vbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> writes:
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 2:05 AM, Josh Durgin <josh.durgin@inktank.com> wrote:
> NACK
>
> I think we're solving the problem at the wrong level. Writing our own
> dynamic linker and adding boilerplate to juggle function pointers
> every time we use a library dependency is ugly.
>
> There are two related problems here:
>
> 1. Packagers do not want to enable niche dependencies since users will
> complain that the package is bloated and pulls in too much stuff.
>
> 2. QEMU linked against a newer library version fails to run on hosts
> that have an older library.
>
> Problem #1 has several solutions:
>
> 1. Let packagers take care of it. For example, vim is often shipped
> in several packages that have various amounts of dependencies
> (vim-tiny, vim-gtk, etc). Packagers create the specialized packages
> for specific groups of users to meet their demands without dragging in
> too many dependencies.
>
> 2. Make QEMU modular - host devices should be shared libraries that
> are loaded at runtime. There should be no stable API so that
> development stays flexible and we discourage binary-only modules.
> This lets packagers easily ship a qemu-rbd package, for example, that
> drops in a .so file that QEMU can load at runtime.
>
> Problem #2 is already solved:
>
> The dynamic linker will refuse to load the program if there are
> missing symbols. It's not possible to mix and match binaries across
> environments while downgrading their library dependencies. With
> effort, this could be doable but it's not an interesting use case that
> many users care about - they get their binaries from a distro or build
> them from source with correct dependencies.
>
> Maybe it's time to move block drivers and other components into
> modules?
This is really a build system issue more than anything else. There are
no internal API changes needed.
All that's needed is to something like (in module.h):
/* This should not be used directly. Use block_init etc. instead. */
#ifdef CONFIG_MODULE
#define module_init(function, type) \
const gchar *g_module_check_init(GModule *module) \
{ \
register_module_init(function, type); \
return NULL; \
}
#else
#define module_init(function, type) \
static void __attribute__((constructor)) do_qemu_init_ ## function(void) { \
register_module_init(function, type); \
}
#endif
We then also need a way to load modules prior to calling init using the
GModule interfaces. Easiest thing to do is just load all .so's in a
single directory (/usr/lib/qemu/modules/*.so?) prior to calling any
module init functions.
What we need from the build system is the ability to build things either
builtin or as modules. Paolo has a GSoC proposal to integrate kconfig.
This would be a great approach to solving this problem.
Doing it this way would let us build not only block drivers but also
devices as modules. This would let us make QXL a module making it
easier for distros to not have a hard dependence on libspice for the
QEMU package.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
>
> Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-04-10 15:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-29 7:59 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] rbd: add an asynchronous flush Josh Durgin
2013-03-29 20:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2] " Josh Durgin
2013-04-02 14:10 ` Kevin Wolf
2013-04-04 8:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 1/2] " Josh Durgin
2013-04-04 8:35 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 2/2] rbd: disable unsupported librbd functions at runtime Josh Durgin
2013-04-04 10:10 ` Kevin Wolf
2013-04-04 16:50 ` Josh Durgin
2013-04-05 9:31 ` Kevin Wolf
2013-04-10 0:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/2] rbd: link and load librbd dynamically Josh Durgin
2013-04-10 8:09 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-04-10 14:52 ` [Qemu-devel] runtime Block driver modules (was Re: [PATCH v3 2/2] rbd: link and load librbd dynamically) Josh Durgin
2013-04-10 15:08 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2013-04-10 21:19 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v3 2/2] rbd: link and load librbd dynamically Paolo Bonzini
2013-04-11 8:04 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-04-11 7:59 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-06-21 18:42 ` Sage Weil
2013-06-21 19:08 ` Alex Bligh
2013-06-21 19:13 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-04-10 14:03 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v2] rbd: add an asynchronous flush Josh Durgin
2013-04-11 8:02 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-04-11 8:48 ` Kevin Wolf
2013-04-11 17:19 ` Josh Durgin
2013-04-12 6:50 ` Kevin Wolf
2013-04-12 7:42 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
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