From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: Ilya Leoshkevich <iii@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, qemu-s390x@nongnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] tests/functional/s390x: Add reverse debugging test for s390x
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2025 10:36:38 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ldjmv689.fsf@draig.linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6181bc6bd6b41f46a835cee58ab3215b8cefedb4.camel@linux.ibm.com> (Ilya Leoshkevich's message of "Sun, 30 Nov 2025 23:59:48 +0100")
Ilya Leoshkevich <iii@linux.ibm.com> writes:
> On Sun, 2025-11-30 at 20:03 +0100, Ilya Leoshkevich wrote:
>> On Sun, 2025-11-30 at 19:32 +0100, Ilya Leoshkevich wrote:
>> > On Sun, 2025-11-30 at 16:47 +0000, Alex Bennée wrote:
>> > > Ilya Leoshkevich <iii@linux.ibm.com> writes:
>> > >
>> > > > On Fri, 2025-11-28 at 18:25 +0100, Ilya Leoshkevich wrote:
>> > > > > On Fri, 2025-11-28 at 14:39 +0100, Thomas Huth wrote:
>> > > > > > From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > We just have to make sure that we can set the endianness to
>> > > > > > big
>> > > > > > endian,
>> > > > > > then we can also run this test on s390x.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Signed-off-by: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
>> > > > > > ---
>> > > > > > Marked as RFC since it depends on the fix for this bug (so
>> > > > > > it
>> > > > > > cannot
>> > > > > > be merged yet):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/a0accce9-6042-4a7b-a7c7-218212818891@redhat.com
>> > > > > > /
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > tests/functional/reverse_debugging.py | 4 +++-
>> > > > > > tests/functional/s390x/meson.build | 1 +
>> > > > > > tests/functional/s390x/test_reverse_debug.py | 21
>> > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++
>> > > > > > 3 files changed, 25 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>> > > > > > create mode 100755
>> > > > > > tests/functional/s390x/test_reverse_debug.py
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Reviewed-by: Ilya Leoshkevich <iii@linux.ibm.com>
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I have a simple fix which helps with your original report,
>> > > > > but
>> > > > > not
>> > > > > with this test. I'm still investigating.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > --- a/target/s390x/machine.c
>> > > > > +++ b/target/s390x/machine.c
>> > > > > @@ -52,6 +52,14 @@ static int cpu_pre_save(void *opaque)
>> > > > > kvm_s390_vcpu_interrupt_pre_save(cpu);
>> > > > > }
>> > > > >
>> > > > > + if (tcg_enabled()) {
>> > > > > + /*
>> > > > > + * Ensure symmetry with cpu_post_load() with respect
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > + * CHECKPOINT_CLOCK_VIRTUAL.
>> > > > > + */
>> > > > > + tcg_s390_tod_updated(CPU(cpu), RUN_ON_CPU_NULL);
>> > > > > + }
>> > > > > +
>> > > > > return 0;
>> > > > > }
>> > > >
>> > > > Interestingly enough, this patch fails only under load, e.g.,
>> > > > if
>> > > > I
>> > > > run
>> > > > make check -j"$(nproc)" or if I run your test in isolation, but
>> > > > with
>> > > > stress-ng cpu in background. The culprit appears to be:
>> > > >
>> > > > s390_tod_load()
>> > > > qemu_s390_tod_set()
>> > > > async_run_on_cpu(tcg_s390_tod_updated)
>> > > >
>> > > > Depending on the system load, this additional
>> > > > tcg_s390_tod_updated()
>> > > > may or may not end up being called during handle_backward(). If
>> > > > it
>> > > > does, we get an infinite loop again, because now we need two
>> > > > checkpoints.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have a feeling that this code may be violating some record-
>> > > > replay
>> > > > requirement, but I can't quite put my finger on it. For
>> > > > example,
>> > > > async_run_on_cpu() does not sound like something deterministic,
>> > > > but
>> > > > then again it just queues work for rr_cpu_thread_fn(), which is
>> > > > supposed to be deterministic.
>> > >
>> > > The the async_run_on_cpu is called from the vcpu thread in
>> > > response
>> > > to a
>> > > deterministic event at a known point in time it should be fine.
>> > > If
>> > > it
>> > > came from another thread that is not synchronised via replay_lock
>> > > then
>> > > things will go wrong.
>> > >
>> > > But this is a VM load save helper?
>> >
>> > Yes, and it's called from the main thread. Either during
>> > initialization, or as a reaction to GDB packets.
>> >
>> > Here is the call stack:
>> >
>> > qemu_loadvm_state()
>> > qemu_loadvm_state_main()
>> > qemu_loadvm_section_start_full()
>> > vmstate_load()
>> > vmstate_load_state()
>> > cpu_post_load()
>> > tcg_s390_tod_updated()
>> > update_ckc_timer()
>> > timer_mod()
>> > s390_tod_load()
>> > qemu_s390_tod_set() # via tdc->set()
>> > async_run_on_cpu(tcg_s390_tod_updated)
>> >
>> > So you think we may have to take the replay lock around
>> > load_snapshot()? So that all async_run_on_cpu() calls it makes end
>> > up
>> > being handled by the vCPU thread deterministically.
>>
>> To answer my own question: apparently this is already the case; at
>> least, the following does not cause any fallout:
>>
>> diff --git a/include/system/replay.h b/include/system/replay.h
>> index 6859df09580..e1cd9b2f900 100644
>> --- a/include/system/replay.h
>> +++ b/include/system/replay.h
>> @@ -60,6 +60,7 @@ extern char *replay_snapshot;
>>
>> void replay_mutex_lock(void);
>> void replay_mutex_unlock(void);
>> +bool replay_mutex_locked(void);
>>
>> static inline void replay_unlock_guard(void *unused)
>> {
>> diff --git a/migration/savevm.c b/migration/savevm.c
>> index 62cc2ce25cb..ba945d3a1ea 100644
>> --- a/migration/savevm.c
>> +++ b/migration/savevm.c
>> @@ -3199,6 +3199,8 @@ bool save_snapshot(const char *name, bool
>> overwrite, const char *vmstate,
>> uint64_t vm_state_size;
>> g_autoptr(GDateTime) now = g_date_time_new_now_local();
>>
>> + g_assert(replay_mutex_locked());
>> +
>> GLOBAL_STATE_CODE();
>>
>> if (!migrate_can_snapshot(errp)) {
>> @@ -3390,6 +3392,8 @@ bool load_snapshot(const char *name, const char
>> *vmstate,
>> int ret;
>> MigrationIncomingState *mis = migration_incoming_get_current();
>>
>> + g_assert(replay_mutex_locked());
>> +
>> if (!migrate_can_snapshot(errp)) {
>> return false;
>> }
>> diff --git a/replay/replay-internal.h b/replay/replay-internal.h
>> index 75249b76936..30825a0753e 100644
>> --- a/replay/replay-internal.h
>> +++ b/replay/replay-internal.h
>> @@ -124,7 +124,6 @@ void replay_get_array_alloc(uint8_t **buf, size_t
>> *size);
>> * synchronisation between vCPU and main-loop threads. */
>>
>> void replay_mutex_init(void);
>> -bool replay_mutex_locked(void);
>>
>> /*! Checks error status of the file. */
>> void replay_check_error(void);
>
> I believe now I at least understand what the race is about:
>
> - cpu_post_load() fires the TOD timer immediately.
>
> - s390_tod_load() schedules work for firing the TOD timer.
Is this a duplicate of work then? Could we just rely on one or the
other? If you drop the cpu_post_load() tweak then the vmstate load
helper should still ensure everything works right?
> - If rr loop sees work and then timer, we get one timer callback.
>
> - If rr loop sees timer and then work, we get two timer callbacks.
If the timer is armed we should expect at least to execute a few
instructions before triggering the timer, unless it was armed ready
expired.
> - Record and replay may diverge due to this race.
>
> - In this particular case divergence makes rr loop spin: it sees that
> TOD timer has expired, but cannot invoke its callback, because there
> is no recorded CHECKPOINT_CLOCK_VIRTUAL.
>
> - The order in which rr loop sees work and timer depends on whether
> and when rr loop wakes up during load_snapshot().
>
> - rr loop may wake up after the main thread kicks the CPU and drops
> the BQL, which may happen if it calls, e.g., qemu_cond_wait_bql().
--
Alex Bennée
Virtualisation Tech Lead @ Linaro
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Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-28 13:39 [RFC PATCH] tests/functional/s390x: Add reverse debugging test for s390x Thomas Huth
2025-11-28 17:25 ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2025-11-29 21:33 ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2025-11-30 16:47 ` Alex Bennée
2025-11-30 18:32 ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2025-11-30 19:03 ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2025-11-30 22:59 ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2025-12-01 10:36 ` Alex Bennée [this message]
2025-12-01 11:17 ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2025-12-01 11:57 ` Ilya Leoshkevich
2025-12-01 12:43 ` Alex Bennée
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