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From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>
Cc: Blue Swirl <blauwirbel@gmail.com>,
	jan.kiszka@siemens.com, qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	peter.maydell@linaro.org
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Funny -m arguments can crash
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:19:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lihi50y5.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87393qnc3t.fsf@blackfin.pond.sub.org>

Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> writes:

> Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> On 08/08/2012 12:04 PM, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes please, maybe with a notice to the user.
>>> 
>>> Next problem: minimum RAM size.
>>> 
>>> For instance, -M pc -m X, where X < 32KiB dies "qemu: fatal: Trying to
>>> execute code outside RAM or ROM at [...] Aborted (core dumped)" with
>>> TCG, and "KVM internal error. Suberror: 1" with KVM.
>>> 
>>> Should a minimum RAM size be enforced?  Board-specific?
>>> 
>>
>> It's really a BIOS bug causing a limitation of both kvm and tcg to be
>> hit.  The BIOS should recognize it doesn't have sufficient memory and
>> hang gracefully (if you can picture that).  It just assumes some low
>> memory is available and tries to execute it with the results you got.
>
> SeaBIOS indeed assumes it got at least 1MiB of RAM.  It doesn't bother
> to check CMOS for a smaller RAM size.  However, that bug / feature is
> currently masked by a QEMU bug: we screw up CMOS contents when there's
> less than 1 MiB of RAM.  pc_cmos_init():
>
>     int val, nb, i;
> [...]
>     /* memory size */
>     val = 640; /* base memory in K */
>     rtc_set_memory(s, 0x15, val);
>     rtc_set_memory(s, 0x16, val >> 8);
>
>     val = (ram_size / 1024) - 1024;
>     if (val > 65535)
>         val = 65535;
>     rtc_set_memory(s, 0x17, val);
>     rtc_set_memory(s, 0x18, val >> 8);
>
> If ram_size < 1MiB, val goes negative.  Oops.
>
> For instance, with -m 500k, we happily promise 640KiB base memory (CMOS
> addr 0x15..16), almost 64MiB extended memory (0x17..18 and 0x30..31),
> yet no memory above 16MiB (0x34..35).
>
> An easy way to fix this is to require 1MiB of RAM :)
>
> But if you like, I'll put sane values in CMOS instead.  That'll expose
> the SeaBIOS bug.
>
> Anthony, you're the PC maintainer, got a preference?
>
> SeaBIOS thread:
> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.bios.coreboot.seabios/4341

I'd prefer fixing the CMOS values over limiting to 1MB of RAM.

Having a 1MB limit is purely theoritical--not practical.  There's no
good reason for anyone to ask for < 1MB unless they know what they're
doing.  If it's truly a mistake, then asking for 2MB is just as much of
a mistake because no real guest will run with 2MB of memory anyway (you
can't even load a kernel).

So if we're just going for theoritical correctness, we ought to do it
the Right Way which is fixing the CMOS values and putting the check in
SeaBIOS.

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-08-13 14:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-25 11:49 [Qemu-devel] Funny -m arguments can crash Markus Armbruster
2012-07-27 19:00 ` Blue Swirl
2012-07-28  6:41   ` Markus Armbruster
2012-07-28  8:29     ` Blue Swirl
2012-07-30 12:56       ` Markus Armbruster
2012-07-30 15:05         ` Blue Swirl
2012-08-08  9:04           ` Markus Armbruster
2012-08-08  9:16             ` Peter Maydell
2012-08-08 10:02               ` Markus Armbruster
2012-08-08  9:48             ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-13 13:41               ` Markus Armbruster
2012-08-13 13:56                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-13 14:02                   ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-13 14:04                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-13 14:10                       ` Gleb Natapov
2012-08-13 20:35                         ` Blue Swirl
2012-08-19 19:26                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2012-08-13 14:19                 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-08-13 14:46                   ` Markus Armbruster
2012-08-14  8:44                   ` Markus Armbruster
2012-08-14 10:20                     ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-14 10:44                       ` Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 10:51                         ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-14 11:01                           ` Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 13:16                             ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-14 13:25                               ` Jan Kiszka
2012-08-14 13:42                                 ` Avi Kivity
2012-08-14 11:12                       ` Markus Armbruster
2012-08-14 13:25                         ` Avi Kivity

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