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From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Hao Xiang <hao.xiang@bytedance.com>,
	Yuan Liu <yuan1.liu@intel.com>,
	Bryan Zhang <bryan.zhang@bytedance.com>,
	Avihai Horon <avihaih@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] migration/multifd: Separate compression ops from non-compression
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 09:42:24 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mssoe2fj.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZbdFzFxysMg274Rw@x1n>

Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:

> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 07:19:39PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
>> +static MultiFDMethods multifd_socket_ops = {
>> +    .send_setup = multifd_socket_send_setup,
>> +    .send_cleanup = multifd_socket_send_cleanup,
>> +    .send_prepare = multifd_socket_send_prepare,
>
> Here it's named with "socket", however not all socket-based multifd
> migrations will go into this route, e.g., when zstd compression enabled it
> will not go via this route, even if zstd also uses sockets as transport.
> From that pov, this may be slightly confusing.  Maybe it suites more to be
> called "socket_plain" / "socket_no_comp"?
>
> One step back, I had a feeling that the current proposal tried to provide a
> single ->ops to cover a model where we may need more than one layer of
> abstraction.
>
> Since it might be helpful to allow multifd send arbitrary data (e.g. for
> VFIO?  Avihai might have an answer there..), I'll try to even consider that
> into the picture.
>
> Let's consider the ultimate goal of multifd, where the simplest model could
> look like this in my mind (I'm only discussing sender side, but it'll be
> similar on recv side):
>
>                prepare()           send()
>   Input   ----------------> IOVs ------------> iochannels
>
> [I used prepare/send, but please think them as generic terms, not 100%
>  aligned with what we have with existing multifd_ops, or what you proposed
>  later]
>
> Here what are sure, IMHO, is:
>
>   - We always can have some input data to dump; I didn't use "guest pages"
>     just to say we may allow arbitrary data.  For any multifd user that
>     would like to dump arbitrary data, they can already provide IOVs, so
>     here input can be either "MultiFDPages_t" or "IOVs".

Or anything else, since the client code also has control over send(),
no? So it could give multifd a pointer to some memory and then use
send() to do whatever it wants with it. Multifd is just providing worker
threads and "scheduling".

Also note that multifd clients currently _do not_ provide IOVs. They
merely provide data to multifd (p->pages) and then convert that data
into IOVs at prepare(). This is different, because multifd currently
holds that p->pages (and turns that into p->normal), which means the
client code does not need to store the data across iterations (in the
case of RAM which is iterative).

>
>   - We may always want to have IOVs to represent the buffers at some point,
>     no matter what the input it
>
>   - We always flush the IOVs to iochannels; basically I want to say we can
>     always assume the last layer is connecting to QIOChannel APIs, while I
>     don't think there's outliers here so far, even if the send() may differ.
>
> Then _maybe_ it's clearer that we can have two layers of OPs?
>
>   - prepare(): it tells how the "input" will be converted into a scatter
>     gatter list of buffers.  All compression methods fall into this afaiu.
>     This has _nothing_ to do on how the buffers will be sent.  For
>     arbitrary-typed input, this can already be a no-op since the IOVs
>     provided can already be passed over to send().
>
>   - send(): how to dump the IOVs to the iochannels.  AFAIU this is motly
>     only useful for fixed-ram migrations.
>
> Would this be clearer, rather than keep using a single multifd_ops?

Sorry, I don't see how what you describe is any different than what we
have. And I don't see how any of this would mean more than one
multifd_ops. We already have multifd_ops->prepare() and
multifd_ops->send(). What am I missing?


  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-29 12:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-26 22:19 [PATCH 0/5] migration/multifd: Prerequisite cleanups for ongoing work Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 1/5] migration/multifd: Separate compression ops from non-compression Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-29  6:29   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-29 12:42     ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2024-01-30  8:42       ` Peter Xu
2024-01-30 15:11         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-31  7:24           ` Peter Xu
2024-01-31 13:14             ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-01  3:25               ` Peter Xu
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 2/5] migration/multifd: Move multifd_socket_ops to socket.c Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 3/5] migration/multifd: Add multifd_ops->send Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 4/5] migration/multifd: Simplify zero copy send Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 5/5] migration/multifd: Move zero copy flag into multifd_socket_setup Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-29  1:41 ` [PATCH 0/5] migration/multifd: Prerequisite cleanups for ongoing work Liu, Yuan1
2024-01-29  7:36   ` Peter Xu
2024-01-29 12:51     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-31  9:29       ` Peter Xu
2024-01-31 13:19         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-01  1:11           ` [External] " Hao Xiang
2024-02-01 13:23             ` Fabiano Rosas

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