From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Hao Xiang <hao.xiang@bytedance.com>,
Yuan Liu <yuan1.liu@intel.com>,
Bryan Zhang <bryan.zhang@bytedance.com>,
Avihai Horon <avihaih@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/5] migration/multifd: Separate compression ops from non-compression
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 09:42:24 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mssoe2fj.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZbdFzFxysMg274Rw@x1n>
Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
> On Fri, Jan 26, 2024 at 07:19:39PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
>> +static MultiFDMethods multifd_socket_ops = {
>> + .send_setup = multifd_socket_send_setup,
>> + .send_cleanup = multifd_socket_send_cleanup,
>> + .send_prepare = multifd_socket_send_prepare,
>
> Here it's named with "socket", however not all socket-based multifd
> migrations will go into this route, e.g., when zstd compression enabled it
> will not go via this route, even if zstd also uses sockets as transport.
> From that pov, this may be slightly confusing. Maybe it suites more to be
> called "socket_plain" / "socket_no_comp"?
>
> One step back, I had a feeling that the current proposal tried to provide a
> single ->ops to cover a model where we may need more than one layer of
> abstraction.
>
> Since it might be helpful to allow multifd send arbitrary data (e.g. for
> VFIO? Avihai might have an answer there..), I'll try to even consider that
> into the picture.
>
> Let's consider the ultimate goal of multifd, where the simplest model could
> look like this in my mind (I'm only discussing sender side, but it'll be
> similar on recv side):
>
> prepare() send()
> Input ----------------> IOVs ------------> iochannels
>
> [I used prepare/send, but please think them as generic terms, not 100%
> aligned with what we have with existing multifd_ops, or what you proposed
> later]
>
> Here what are sure, IMHO, is:
>
> - We always can have some input data to dump; I didn't use "guest pages"
> just to say we may allow arbitrary data. For any multifd user that
> would like to dump arbitrary data, they can already provide IOVs, so
> here input can be either "MultiFDPages_t" or "IOVs".
Or anything else, since the client code also has control over send(),
no? So it could give multifd a pointer to some memory and then use
send() to do whatever it wants with it. Multifd is just providing worker
threads and "scheduling".
Also note that multifd clients currently _do not_ provide IOVs. They
merely provide data to multifd (p->pages) and then convert that data
into IOVs at prepare(). This is different, because multifd currently
holds that p->pages (and turns that into p->normal), which means the
client code does not need to store the data across iterations (in the
case of RAM which is iterative).
>
> - We may always want to have IOVs to represent the buffers at some point,
> no matter what the input it
>
> - We always flush the IOVs to iochannels; basically I want to say we can
> always assume the last layer is connecting to QIOChannel APIs, while I
> don't think there's outliers here so far, even if the send() may differ.
>
> Then _maybe_ it's clearer that we can have two layers of OPs?
>
> - prepare(): it tells how the "input" will be converted into a scatter
> gatter list of buffers. All compression methods fall into this afaiu.
> This has _nothing_ to do on how the buffers will be sent. For
> arbitrary-typed input, this can already be a no-op since the IOVs
> provided can already be passed over to send().
>
> - send(): how to dump the IOVs to the iochannels. AFAIU this is motly
> only useful for fixed-ram migrations.
>
> Would this be clearer, rather than keep using a single multifd_ops?
Sorry, I don't see how what you describe is any different than what we
have. And I don't see how any of this would mean more than one
multifd_ops. We already have multifd_ops->prepare() and
multifd_ops->send(). What am I missing?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-01-29 12:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-01-26 22:19 [PATCH 0/5] migration/multifd: Prerequisite cleanups for ongoing work Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 1/5] migration/multifd: Separate compression ops from non-compression Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-29 6:29 ` Peter Xu
2024-01-29 12:42 ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2024-01-30 8:42 ` Peter Xu
2024-01-30 15:11 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-31 7:24 ` Peter Xu
2024-01-31 13:14 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-01 3:25 ` Peter Xu
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 2/5] migration/multifd: Move multifd_socket_ops to socket.c Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 3/5] migration/multifd: Add multifd_ops->send Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 4/5] migration/multifd: Simplify zero copy send Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-26 22:19 ` [PATCH 5/5] migration/multifd: Move zero copy flag into multifd_socket_setup Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-29 1:41 ` [PATCH 0/5] migration/multifd: Prerequisite cleanups for ongoing work Liu, Yuan1
2024-01-29 7:36 ` Peter Xu
2024-01-29 12:51 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-01-31 9:29 ` Peter Xu
2024-01-31 13:19 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-01 1:11 ` [External] " Hao Xiang
2024-02-01 13:23 ` Fabiano Rosas
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