From: Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>
To: Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de>, Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Jason Baron <jbaron@redhat.com>,
Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] On block interface types in general, IF_AHCI in particular
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:00:13 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87objitywi.fsf@codemonkey.ws> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9D91D287-B449-49D9-BEEA-DDBF291EB9B9@suse.de>
Alexander Graf <agraf@suse.de> writes:
> On 31.10.2012, at 15:40, Paolo Bonzini wrote:
>
>> Il 31/10/2012 15:20, Markus Armbruster ha scritto:
>>> One more thing: on a *major* upgrade, I'd rather deal with immediately
>>> obvious breakage (does not boot) than rotten performance.
>>>
>>> If we make "q35 with compat IDE" the default, we'll have to tell users
>>> many, many times not to use the default :(
>>
>> Well, compat IDE is not on the same league as writethrough for bad
>> performance, and virtio is anyway the better choice (and not available
>> just with a different machine type).
>
> Are you seriously considering to carry that IDE legacy around simply
> because we are too dumb to create working command line options? AHCI
> gets you at least parallel disk access, so in most cases it's a lot
> more sane than IDE.
First, we only guarantee guest compatibility if -M with a versioned
machine is used.
The absence of '-M XXX' means: newest whizz-bang features QEMU has to
offer while giving reasonable guest support.
Knowing what the state of AHCI performance is compared to other options
(like virtio), I wouldn't dream of telling someone who cares about
performance to use AHCI.
The only advantage I see of AHCI today is that you can have more than 4
disks. We can do that with legacy mode and still support the full set
of guests we support today.
It's a no brainer IMHO.
This has nothing to do with command lines. This is simple a case of a
user asking "give me a machine with two disks". The question is, what
should those disks be? They should be IDE because compatibility trumps
performance.
If the user says, "give me a machine two *fast* disks", the answer is
use virtio.
There is no way AHCI will ever perform even close to how virtio-blk
dataplane performs. We want people using virtio, not AHCI if they care
about performance.
Regards,
Anthony Liguori
>
>
> Alex
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-10-31 16:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-10-30 14:43 [Qemu-devel] On block interface types in general, IF_AHCI in particular Markus Armbruster
2012-10-30 15:16 ` Jason Baron
2012-10-30 16:31 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-30 17:04 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-10-30 19:03 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-30 21:12 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-31 13:58 ` Markus Armbruster
2012-10-31 14:01 ` Peter Maydell
2012-10-31 14:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 14:20 ` Markus Armbruster
2012-10-31 14:40 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 14:43 ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-31 14:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 16:00 ` Anthony Liguori [this message]
2012-10-31 16:05 ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-31 16:46 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-31 16:57 ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-31 18:32 ` Anthony Liguori
2012-10-31 16:48 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 16:21 ` Kevin Wolf
2012-10-31 16:32 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-10-31 16:35 ` Alexander Graf
2012-10-31 16:50 ` Paolo Bonzini
2012-11-01 8:50 ` Gerd Hoffmann
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