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From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, berrange@redhat.com, armbru@redhat.com,
	Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 22/34] migration/multifd: Prepare multifd sync for fixed-ram migration
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2024 11:00:44 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87plwivwfn.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zd1cj4jkIpUktu6k@x1n>

Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:

> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 07:52:20PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
>> Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 07:41:26PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
>> >> The fixed-ram migration can be performed live or non-live, but it is
>> >> always asynchronous, i.e. the source machine and the destination
>> >> machine are not migrating at the same time. We only need some pieces
>> >> of the multifd sync operations.
>> >> 
>> >> multifd_send_sync_main()
>> >> ------------------------
>> >>   Issued by the ram migration code on the migration thread, causes the
>> >>   multifd send channels to synchronize with the migration thread and
>> >>   makes the sending side emit a packet with the MULTIFD_FLUSH flag.
>> >> 
>> >>   With fixed-ram we want to maintain the sync on the sending side
>> >>   because that provides ordering between the rounds of dirty pages when
>> >>   migrating live.
>> >> 
>> >> MULTIFD_FLUSH
>> >> -------------
>> >>   On the receiving side, the presence of the MULTIFD_FLUSH flag on a
>> >>   packet causes the receiving channels to start synchronizing with the
>> >>   main thread.
>> >> 
>> >>   We're not using packets with fixed-ram, so there's no MULTIFD_FLUSH
>> >>   flag and therefore no channel sync on the receiving side.
>> >> 
>> >> multifd_recv_sync_main()
>> >> ------------------------
>> >>   Issued by the migration thread when the ram migration flag
>> >>   RAM_SAVE_FLAG_MULTIFD_FLUSH is received, causes the migration thread
>> >>   on the receiving side to start synchronizing with the recv
>> >>   channels. Due to compatibility, this is also issued when
>> >>   RAM_SAVE_FLAG_EOS is received.
>> >> 
>> >>   For fixed-ram we only need to synchronize the channels at the end of
>> >>   migration to avoid doing cleanup before the channels have finished
>> >>   their IO.
>> >> 
>> >> Make sure the multifd syncs are only issued at the appropriate
>> >> times. Note that due to pre-existing backward compatibility issues, we
>> >> have the multifd_flush_after_each_section property that enables an
>> >> older behavior of synchronizing channels more frequently (and
>> >> inefficiently). Fixed-ram should always run with that property
>> >> disabled (default).
>> >
>> > What if the user enables multifd_flush_after_each_section=true?
>> >
>> > IMHO we don't necessarily need to attach the fixed-ram loading flush to any
>> > flag in the stream.  For fixed-ram IIUC all the loads will happen in one
>> > shot of ram_load() anyway when parsing the ramblock list, so.. how about we
>> > decouple the fixed-ram load flush from the stream by always do a sync in
>> > ram_load() unconditionally?
>> 
>> I would like to. But it's not possible because ram_load() is called once
>> per section. So once for each EOS flag on the stream. We'll have at
>> least two calls to ram_load(), once due to qemu_savevm_state_iterate()
>> and another due to qemu_savevm_state_complete_precopy().
>> 
>> The fact that fixed-ram can use just one load doesn't change the fact
>> that we perform more than one "save". So we'll need to use the FLUSH
>> flag in this case unfortunately.
>
> After I re-read it, I found one more issue.
>
> Now recv side sync is "once and for all" - it doesn't allow a second time
> to sync_main because it syncs only until quits.  That is IMHO making the
> code much harder to maintain, and we'll need rich comment to explain why is
> that happening.
>
> Ideally any "sync main" for recv threads can be called multiple times.  And
> IMHO it's not really hard.  Actually it can make the code much cleaner by
> merging some logic between socket-based and file-based from that regard.
>
> I tried to play with your branch and propose something like this, just to
> show what I meant. This should allow all new fixed-ram test to pass here,
> meanwhile it should allow sync main on recv side to be re-entrant, sharing
> the logic with socket-based as much as possible:
>
> =====
> diff --git a/migration/multifd.c b/migration/multifd.c
> index a0202b5661..28480f6cfe 100644
> --- a/migration/multifd.c
> +++ b/migration/multifd.c
> @@ -86,10 +86,8 @@ struct {
>      /* number of created threads */
>      int count;
>      /*
> -     * For sockets: this is posted once for each MULTIFD_FLAG_SYNC flag.
> -     *
> -     * For files: this is only posted at the end of the file load to mark
> -     *            completion of the load process.
> +     * This is always posted by the recv threads, the main thread uses it
> +     * to wait for recv threads to finish assigned tasks.
>       */
>      QemuSemaphore sem_sync;
>      /* global number of generated multifd packets */
> @@ -1316,38 +1314,55 @@ void multifd_recv_cleanup(void)
>      multifd_recv_cleanup_state();
>  }
>  
> -
> -/*
> - * Wait until all channels have finished receiving data. Once this
> - * function returns, cleanup routines are safe to run.
> - */
> -static void multifd_file_recv_sync(void)
> +static void multifd_recv_file_sync_request(void)
>  {
>      int i;
>  
>      for (i = 0; i < migrate_multifd_channels(); i++) {
>          MultiFDRecvParams *p = &multifd_recv_state->params[i];
>  
> -        trace_multifd_recv_sync_main_wait(p->id);
> -
> +        /*
> +         * We play a trick here: instead of using a separate pending_sync
> +         * to send a sync request (like what we do on senders), we simply
> +         * kick the recv thread once without setting pending_job.
> +         *
> +         * If there's already a pending_job, the thread will only see it
> +         * after it processed the current.  If there's no pending_job,
> +         * it'll see this immediately.
> +         */
>          qemu_sem_post(&p->sem);
> -
>          trace_multifd_recv_sync_main_signal(p->id);
> -        qemu_sem_wait(&p->sem_sync);
>      }
> -    return;
>  }
>  
> +/*
> + * Request a sync for all the multifd recv threads.
> + *
> + * For socket-based, sync request is much more complicated, which relies on
> + * collaborations between both explicit RAM_SAVE_FLAG_MULTIFD_FLUSH in the
> + * main stream, and MULTIFD_FLAG_SYNC flag in per-channel protocol.  Here
> + * it should be invoked by the main stream request.
> + *
> + * For file-based, it is much simpler, because there's no need for a strong
> + * sync semantics between the main thread and the recv threads.  What we
> + * need is only to make sure all recv threads finished their tasks.
> + */
>  void multifd_recv_sync_main(void)
>  {
> +    bool file_based = !multifd_use_packets();
>      int i;
>  
>      if (!migrate_multifd()) {
>          return;
>      }
>  
> -    if (!multifd_use_packets()) {
> -        return multifd_file_recv_sync();
> +    if (file_based) {
> +        /*
> +         * File-based multifd requires an explicit sync request because
> +         * tasks are assigned by the main recv thread, rather than parsed
> +         * through the multifd channels.
> +         */
> +        multifd_recv_file_sync_request();
>      }
>  
>      for (i = 0; i < migrate_multifd_channels(); i++) {
> @@ -1356,6 +1371,11 @@ void multifd_recv_sync_main(void)
>          trace_multifd_recv_sync_main_wait(p->id);
>          qemu_sem_wait(&multifd_recv_state->sem_sync);
>      }
> +
> +    if (file_based) {
> +        return;
> +    }
> +
>      for (i = 0; i < migrate_multifd_channels(); i++) {
>          MultiFDRecvParams *p = &multifd_recv_state->params[i];
>  
> @@ -1420,11 +1440,12 @@ static void *multifd_recv_thread(void *opaque)
>              }
>  
>              /*
> -             * Migration thread did not send work, break and signal
> -             * sem_sync so it knows we're not lagging behind.
> +             * Migration thread did not send work, this emulates
> +             * pending_sync, post sem_sync to notify the main thread.
>               */
>              if (!qatomic_read(&p->pending_job)) {
> -                break;
> +                qemu_sem_post(&multifd_recv_state->sem_sync);
> +                continue;
>              }
>  
>              has_data = !!p->data->size;
> @@ -1449,10 +1470,6 @@ static void *multifd_recv_thread(void *opaque)
>          }
>      }
>  
> -    if (!use_packets) {
> -        qemu_sem_post(&p->sem_sync);
> -    }
> -
>      if (local_err) {
>          multifd_recv_terminate_threads(local_err);
>          error_free(local_err);
>
> ==========
>
> Note that I used multifd_recv_state->sem_sync to send the message rather
> than p->sem, not only because socket-based has similar logic on using that
> sem, but also because main thread shouldn't care about "which" recv thread
> has finished, but "all recv threads are idle".
>
> Do you think this should work out for us in a nicer way?
>

I don't really like the interleaving of file and socket logic at
multifd_recv_sync_main(), but I can live with it.

Waiting on multifd_recv_state->sem_sync is problematic because if the
thread has an error, that will hang forever.

Actually, I don't even see this being handled in _current_ code
anywhere, we probably have a bug there. I guess we need to add one more
"post this sem just because" somewhere. multifd_recv_kick_main probably.

> Then we talk about the other issue, on whether we should rely on migration
> stream to flush recv threads.  My answer is still hopefully a no.
>
> In the ideal case, fixed-ram image format should even be tailed to not use
> a live stream protocol.  For example, currently during ram iterations we
> should flush quite a lot of ram QEMU_VM_SECTION_PART sections contains
> mostly rubbish but then ending that with RAM_SAVE_FLAG_EOS. Then we keep
> doing this in the iteration loop.  Here the real meat is during processing
> of QEMU_VM_SECTION_PART, the src QEMU will update the guest pages with
> fixed offsets in the file.  That however doesn't really contribute to
> anything valuable in the migration stream itself (things sent over
> to_dst_file).
>
> AFAIU we chose to still use that logic only for simplicity, even if we know
> those EOSs and all RAM streams are garbage.  Now we tend to add one
> dependency on part of the garbage, which is RAM_SAVE_FLAG_MULTIFD_FLUSH in
> this case; which is useful in socket-based but shouldn't be necessary for
> file.
>
> I think I have a solution besides ram_load(): ultimately fixed-ram stores
> all guest mem in the QEMU_VM_SECTION_START section of the ram, through all
> of the RAM_SAVE_FLAG_MEM_SIZE (which leads to parse_ramblocks()).  If so,
> perhaps we can do one shot sync for file at the end of parse_ramblocks()?
> Then we decouple sync_main on recv for file-based completely against all
> stream flags.

Yeah, that could work. I think I'll blacklist all unused flags using the
invalid_flags logic.

Thanks


  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-27 14:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-20 22:41 [PATCH v4 00/34] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 01/34] docs/devel/migration.rst: Document the file transport Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:01   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 02/34] tests/qtest/migration: Rename fd_proto test Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:03   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 03/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add a fd + file test Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:08   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 04/34] migration/multifd: Remove p->quit from recv side Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:13   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 05/34] migration/multifd: Release recv sem_sync earlier Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:16   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 06/34] io: add and implement QIO_CHANNEL_FEATURE_SEEKABLE for channel file Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 07/34] io: Add generic pwritev/preadv interface Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 08/34] io: implement io_pwritev/preadv for QIOChannelFile Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 09/34] io: fsync before closing a file channel Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 10/34] migration/qemu-file: add utility methods for working with seekable channels Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 11/34] migration/ram: Introduce 'fixed-ram' migration capability Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-21  8:41   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-21 13:24     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-21 13:50       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-02-21 15:05         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  3:07   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26  3:22   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 12/34] migration: Add fixed-ram URI compatibility check Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  3:11   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 13/34] migration/ram: Add outgoing 'fixed-ram' migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  4:03   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 14/34] migration/ram: Add incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  5:19   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 15/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add tests for fixed-ram file-based migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 16/34] migration/multifd: Rename MultiFDSend|RecvParams::data to compress_data Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 17/34] migration/multifd: Decouple recv method from pages Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 18/34] migration/multifd: Allow multifd without packets Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  5:57   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 19/34] migration/multifd: Allow receiving pages " Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  6:58   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26 19:19     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26 20:54       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 20/34] migration/multifd: Add outgoing QIOChannelFile support Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  7:10   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26  7:21   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 21/34] migration/multifd: Add incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  7:34   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26  7:53     ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 22/34] migration/multifd: Prepare multifd sync for fixed-ram migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  7:47   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26 22:52     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-27  3:52       ` Peter Xu
2024-02-27 14:00         ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2024-02-27 23:46           ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 23/34] migration/multifd: Support outgoing fixed-ram stream format Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  8:08   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 24/34] migration/multifd: Support incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  8:30   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 25/34] migration/multifd: Add fixed-ram support to fd: URI Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  8:37   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 26/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add a multifd + fixed-ram migration test Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  8:42   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 27/34] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-21  9:17   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-26  8:50   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26 13:28     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 28/34] migration/multifd: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 29/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add tests for file migration with direct-io Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 30/34] monitor: Honor QMP request for fd removal immediately Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-21  9:20   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 31/34] monitor: Extract fdset fd flags comparison into a function Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 32/34] monitor: fdset: Match against O_DIRECT Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-21  9:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-21 13:37     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-22  6:56       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-22 13:26         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-22 14:44           ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 33/34] migration: Add support for fdset with multifd + file Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 34/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add a test for fixed-ram with passing of fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  2:59 ` [PATCH v4 00/34] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Peter Xu
2024-02-23 13:48   ` Claudio Fontana
2024-02-23 14:22   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  6:15 ` Peter Xu

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