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From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: "Marc Marí" <markmb@redhat.com>
Cc: Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com>, qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Modularizing QEMU RFC
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2015 10:58:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pp34lmlq.fsf@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150803113618.454a723f@markmb_rh>


Marc Marí <markmb@redhat.com> writes:

> On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 10:24:56 +0100
> Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Marc Marí <markmb@redhat.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On Mon, 3 Aug 2015 16:22:34 +0800
>> > Fam Zheng <famz@redhat.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Mon, 08/03 09:52, Marc Marí wrote:
>> >> > So any other ideas to reduce the library overhead are
>> >> > appreciated.
>> >> 
>> >> It would be interesting to see your profiling on the library
>> >> loading overhead. For example, how much does it help to reduce the
>> >> library size, and how much does it help to reduce the # of
>> >> libraries?
>> <snip>
>> >
>> > Some profiling:
>> >
<snip>
>> >
>> > I don't know if loading one big library is more efficent than a lot
>> > of small ones, but it would make sense.
>> 
>> What's the actual use-case here where start-up latency is so
>> important? If it is an ephemeral cloudy thing then you might just
>> have a base QEMU with VIRT drivers and one big .so call "the-rest.so"?
>> 
>
> Clear Containers: https://lwn.net/Articles/644675/
>
> We are looking for making QEMU more lightweight for the general use
> case and also for the container use case. It is a lot better to have
> the same tool for both cases, and not start a new one from scratch as
> Intel has done.
>
> This also benefits the general QEMU community, and that's why I'm
> having this discussion here. If there's a point where QEMU is still too
> slow for containers, but optimizing means breaking, then we will have
> to take a step back and change the point of view.
>
> And making QEMU modular I think is benefitial for everyone.

Thanks for the link.

If all the less used parts of QEMU where wrapped up into a dynamically
linked library (rather than a dynamically loaded module) wouldn't you
get the best of both worlds? A fast loading executable which only
instantiated the rest if a function from the library was actually called?

>
> Marc

-- 
Alex Bennée

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-03  9:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-31 15:45 [Qemu-devel] Modularizing QEMU RFC Marc Marí
2015-08-03  3:09 ` Fam Zheng
2015-08-03  7:51   ` Peter Maydell
2015-08-03  7:52   ` Marc Marí
2015-08-03  8:22     ` Fam Zheng
2015-08-03  9:01       ` Marc Marí
2015-08-03  9:24         ` Alex Bennée
2015-08-03  9:36           ` Marc Marí
2015-08-03  9:58             ` Alex Bennée [this message]
2015-08-03 10:16               ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-08-03  9:38           ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-08-03  9:24         ` Fam Zheng
2015-08-03 10:22           ` Marc Marí
2015-08-03 10:54             ` Fam Zheng
2015-08-03  9:20   ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-08-03  9:52   ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-08-03  9:23 ` Daniel P. Berrange
2015-08-03  9:43   ` Marc Marí

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