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From: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
To: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/4] build: move COLO under CONFIG_REPLICATION
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:52:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r0s4bisi.fsf@secure.mitica> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <73b38f83-a927-d3d9-c08e-7276f48f013c@yandex-team.ru> (Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy's message of "Thu, 27 Apr 2023 22:31:32 +0300")

Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
> On 23.04.23 04:54, Zhang, Chen wrote:
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy<vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2023 4:36 PM
>>> To: Zhang, Chen<chen.zhang@intel.com>;qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>>> Cc:qemu-block@nongnu.org;michael.roth@amd.com;armbru@redhat.com;
>>> eblake@redhat.com;jasowang@redhat.com;quintela@redhat.com; Zhang,
>>> Hailiang<zhanghailiang@xfusion.com>;philmd@linaro.org;
>>> thuth@redhat.com;berrange@redhat.com;marcandre.lureau@redhat.com;
>>> pbonzini@redhat.com;dave@treblig.org;hreitz@redhat.com;
>>> kwolf@redhat.com;lizhijian@fujitsu.com
>>> Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/4] build: move COLO under CONFIG_REPLICATION
>>>
>>> On 21.04.23 06:02, Zhang, Chen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy<vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2023 6:53 AM
>>>>> To:qemu-devel@nongnu.org
>>>>> Cc:qemu-block@nongnu.org;michael.roth@amd.com;
>>> armbru@redhat.com;
>>>>> eblake@redhat.com;jasowang@redhat.com;quintela@redhat.com;
>>> Zhang,
>>>>> Hailiang<zhanghailiang@xfusion.com>;philmd@linaro.org;
>>>>> thuth@redhat.com;berrange@redhat.com;
>>> marcandre.lureau@redhat.com;
>>>>> pbonzini@redhat.com;dave@treblig.org;hreitz@redhat.com;
>>>>> kwolf@redhat.com; Zhang, Chen<chen.zhang@intel.com>;
>>>>> lizhijian@fujitsu.com; Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
>>>>> <vsementsov@yandex- team.ru>
>>>>> Subject: [PATCH v2 3/4] build: move COLO under CONFIG_REPLICATION
>>>>>
>>>>> We don't allow to use x-colo capability when replication is not
>>>>> configured. So, no reason to build COLO when replication is disabled,
>>>>> it's unusable in this case.
>>>> Yes, you are right for current status. Because COLO best practices is
>>> replication + colo live migration + colo proxy.
>>>> But doesn't mean it has to be done in all scenarios as I explanation in V1.
>>>> The better way is allow to use x-colo capability firstly, and separate
>>>> this patch with two config options: --disable-replication  and --disable-x-
>>> colo.
>>> But what for? We for sure don't have such scenarios now (COLO without
>>> replication), as it's not allowed by far 7e934f5b27eee1b0d7 (by you and
>>> David).
>>>
>>> If you think we need such scenario, I think it should be a separate series
>>> which reverts 7e934f5b27eee1b0d7 and adds corresponding test and
>>> probably documentation.
>> In the patch 7e934f5b27eee1b0d7 said it's for current independent disk mode,
>> And what we talked about before is the shared disk mode.
>> Rethink about the COLO shared disk mode, this feature still needs some enabling works.
>> It looks OK for now and separate the build options when enabling COLO shared disk mode.
>
> I've started working on this, and now I see, that check in the migrate_caps_check() is not the only place.
>
> migration/colo.c has also several abort() points. For example,
> colo_process_checkpoint will simply abort if CONFIG_REPLICATION not
> defined.
>
> So for sure, current code is not prepared to use COLO with REPLICATION disabled.
>
> If this possibility is needed it requires more work. Personally, I
> don't think that possibility to enable COLO with disabled REPLICATION
> is really needed and I know nobody who need it, so that seems to be
> extra work.

Whoever does the work to make COLO without REPLICATION work, it can also
do the aditional work of splitting it.  Changing a configure file is
going to be the smaller of its problems.

Later, Juan.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-28  6:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-19 22:52 [PATCH v2 0/4] COLO: improve build options Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-19 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] block/meson.build: prefer positive condition for replication Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-20  9:51   ` Juan Quintela
2023-04-20 13:47   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-04-19 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] scripts/qapi: allow optional experimental enum values Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-20  9:55   ` Juan Quintela
2023-04-20 14:43   ` Eric Blake
2023-04-20 16:47     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-19 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] build: move COLO under CONFIG_REPLICATION Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-20 10:03   ` Juan Quintela
2023-04-20 11:40     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-20 11:56       ` Juan Quintela
2023-04-20 21:08   ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2023-04-21  3:02   ` Zhang, Chen
2023-04-21  8:35     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-23  1:54       ` Zhang, Chen
2023-04-27 19:31         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-28  6:52           ` Juan Quintela [this message]
2023-04-19 22:52 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] configure: add --disable-colo-filters option Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-20  9:09   ` Zhang, Chen
2023-04-20 10:09     ` Lukas Straub
2023-04-20 11:25     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-21  2:22       ` Zhang, Chen
2023-04-21  8:52         ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-04-23  2:05           ` Zhang, Chen
2023-04-20  8:33 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] COLO: improve build options Lukas Straub
2023-04-20  8:39   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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