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From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, berrange@redhat.com,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>,
	Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 11/34] migration/ram: Introduce 'fixed-ram' migration capability
Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 10:24:05 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sf1mar2i.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o7caxl97.fsf@pond.sub.org>

Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> writes:

> Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de> writes:
>
>> Add a new migration capability 'fixed-ram'.
>>
>> The core of the feature is to ensure that each RAM page has a specific
>> offset in the resulting migration stream. The reasons why we'd want
>> such behavior are:
>>
>>  - The resulting file will have a bounded size, since pages which are
>>    dirtied multiple times will always go to a fixed location in the
>>    file, rather than constantly being added to a sequential
>>    stream. This eliminates cases where a VM with, say, 1G of RAM can
>>    result in a migration file that's 10s of GBs, provided that the
>>    workload constantly redirties memory.
>>
>>  - It paves the way to implement O_DIRECT-enabled save/restore of the
>>    migration stream as the pages are ensured to be written at aligned
>>    offsets.
>>
>>  - It allows the usage of multifd so we can write RAM pages to the
>>    migration file in parallel.
>>
>> For now, enabling the capability has no effect. The next couple of
>> patches implement the core functionality.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
>
> [...]
>
>> diff --git a/qapi/migration.json b/qapi/migration.json
>> index 5a565d9b8d..3fce5fe53e 100644
>> --- a/qapi/migration.json
>> +++ b/qapi/migration.json
>> @@ -531,6 +531,10 @@
>>  #     and can result in more stable read performance.  Requires KVM
>>  #     with accelerator property "dirty-ring-size" set.  (Since 8.1)
>>  #
>> +# @fixed-ram: Migrate using fixed offsets in the migration file for
>> +#     each RAM page.  Requires a migration URI that supports seeking,
>> +#     such as a file.  (since 9.0)
>> +#
>>  # Features:
>>  #
>>  # @deprecated: Member @block is deprecated.  Use blockdev-mirror with
>> @@ -555,7 +559,7 @@
>>             { 'name': 'x-ignore-shared', 'features': [ 'unstable' ] },
>>             'validate-uuid', 'background-snapshot',
>>             'zero-copy-send', 'postcopy-preempt', 'switchover-ack',
>> -           'dirty-limit'] }
>> +           'dirty-limit', 'fixed-ram'] }
>>  
>>  ##
>>  # @MigrationCapabilityStatus:
>
> Can we find a better name than @fixed-ram?  @fixed-ram-offsets?
> @use-seek?

I have no idea how we came to fixed-ram. The archives don't provide any
clarification. I find it confusing at first glance as well.

A little brainstorming on how fixed-ram is different from exiting
migration:

Fixed-ram:
  uses a file, like the 'file:' migration;

  needs a seeking medium, such as a file;

  migrates ram by placing a page always in the same offset in the
  file, contrary to normal migration which streams the page changes
  continuously;

  ensures a migration file of size bounded to VM RAM size, contrary to
  normal 'file:' migration which creates a file with unbounded size;

  enables multi-threaded RAM migration, even though we only use it when
  multifd is enabled;

  uses scatter-gatter APIs (pwritev, preadv);

So a few options:

(disconsidering use-seek, it might be even more generic/vague)

- fixed-ram-offsets
- non-streaming (or streaming: false)
- ram-scatter-gather (ram-sg)
- parallel-ram (even with the slight inaccuracy that we sometimes do it single-threaded)

Remember we also use this name internally, so I think a broader
"feature" name is better that a super specific one.

Does anyone have a strong preference? Other suggestions?

> Apart from that, QAPI schema
> Acked-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>

Thanks!


  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-21 15:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-20 22:41 [PATCH v4 00/34] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 01/34] docs/devel/migration.rst: Document the file transport Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:01   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 02/34] tests/qtest/migration: Rename fd_proto test Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:03   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 03/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add a fd + file test Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:08   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 04/34] migration/multifd: Remove p->quit from recv side Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:13   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 05/34] migration/multifd: Release recv sem_sync earlier Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  3:16   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 06/34] io: add and implement QIO_CHANNEL_FEATURE_SEEKABLE for channel file Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 07/34] io: Add generic pwritev/preadv interface Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 08/34] io: implement io_pwritev/preadv for QIOChannelFile Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 09/34] io: fsync before closing a file channel Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 10/34] migration/qemu-file: add utility methods for working with seekable channels Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 11/34] migration/ram: Introduce 'fixed-ram' migration capability Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-21  8:41   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-21 13:24     ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2024-02-21 13:50       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-02-21 15:05         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  3:07   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26  3:22   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 12/34] migration: Add fixed-ram URI compatibility check Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  3:11   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 13/34] migration/ram: Add outgoing 'fixed-ram' migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  4:03   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 14/34] migration/ram: Add incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  5:19   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 15/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add tests for fixed-ram file-based migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 16/34] migration/multifd: Rename MultiFDSend|RecvParams::data to compress_data Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 17/34] migration/multifd: Decouple recv method from pages Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 18/34] migration/multifd: Allow multifd without packets Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  5:57   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 19/34] migration/multifd: Allow receiving pages " Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  6:58   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26 19:19     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26 20:54       ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 20/34] migration/multifd: Add outgoing QIOChannelFile support Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  7:10   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26  7:21   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 21/34] migration/multifd: Add incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  7:34   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26  7:53     ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 22/34] migration/multifd: Prepare multifd sync for fixed-ram migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  7:47   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26 22:52     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-27  3:52       ` Peter Xu
2024-02-27 14:00         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-27 23:46           ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 23/34] migration/multifd: Support outgoing fixed-ram stream format Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  8:08   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 24/34] migration/multifd: Support incoming " Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  8:30   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 25/34] migration/multifd: Add fixed-ram support to fd: URI Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  8:37   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 26/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add a multifd + fixed-ram migration test Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  8:42   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 27/34] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-21  9:17   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-26  8:50   ` Peter Xu
2024-02-26 13:28     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 28/34] migration/multifd: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 29/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add tests for file migration with direct-io Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 30/34] monitor: Honor QMP request for fd removal immediately Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-21  9:20   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 31/34] monitor: Extract fdset fd flags comparison into a function Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 32/34] monitor: fdset: Match against O_DIRECT Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-21  9:27   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-21 13:37     ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-22  6:56       ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-22 13:26         ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-22 14:44           ` Markus Armbruster
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 33/34] migration: Add support for fdset with multifd + file Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-20 22:41 ` [PATCH v4 34/34] tests/qtest/migration: Add a test for fixed-ram with passing of fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-23  2:59 ` [PATCH v4 00/34] migration: File based migration with multifd and fixed-ram Peter Xu
2024-02-23 13:48   ` Claudio Fontana
2024-02-23 14:22   ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-02-26  6:15 ` Peter Xu

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