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From: Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: "Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Paul Durrant" <paul@xen.org>,
	"Joao Martins" <joao.m.martins@oracle.com>,
	"Ankur Arora" <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Claudio Fontana" <cfontana@suse.de>,
	"Julien Grall" <julien@xen.org>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	armbru@redhat.com, "Stefano Stabellini" <sstabellini@kernel.org>,
	vikram.garhwal@amd.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v11bis 00/26] Emulated XenStore and PV backend support
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2023 11:49:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sff5khqo.fsf@secure.mitica> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230216094436.2144978-1-dwmw2@infradead.org> (David Woodhouse's message of "Thu, 16 Feb 2023 09:44:10 +0000")

David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org> wrote:
> The non-RFC patch submisson¹ is just the basic platform support for Xen
> on KVM. This RFC series is phase 2, adding an internal XenStore and
> hooking up the PV back end drivers to that and the emulated grant tables
> and event channels.
>
> With this, we can boot a Xen guest with PV disk, under KVM. Full support
> for migration isn't there yet because it's actually missing in the PV
> back end drivers in the first place (perhaps because upstream Xen doesn't
> yet have guest transparent live migration support anyway). I'm assuming
> that when the first round is merged and we drop the [RFC] from this set,
> that won't be a showstopper for now?
>
> I'd be particularly interested in opinions on the way I implemented
> serialization for the XenStore, by creating a GByteArray and then dumping
> it with VMSTATE_VARRAY_UINT32_ALLOC().

And I was wondering why I was CC'd in the whole series O:-)

How big is the xenstore?
I mean typical size and maximun size.

If it is suficientely small (i.e. in the single unit megabytes), you can
send it as a normal device at the end of migration.

If it is bigger, I think that you are going to have to enter Migration
iteration stage, and have some kind of dirty bitmap to know what entries
are on the target and what not.

As examples, we are going to discuss how to migrate Vhost-user-fs in the
near future, and as far as I know that is something similar to the
Xenstore (from 10000 feet view, both are a (key, value) store, no?).

We are having starting other discussions about how to migrate vfio and
(not yet started) vhost/vpda devices, so you can get some "inspiration"
from there if you are going the "opaque" route.

Later, Juan.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-16 10:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-16  9:44 [RFC PATCH v11bis 00/26] Emulated XenStore and PV backend support David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 01/26] hw/xen: Add xenstore wire implementation and implementation stubs David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 02/26] hw/xen: Add basic XenStore tree walk and write/read/directory support David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 03/26] hw/xen: Implement XenStore watches David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 04/26] hw/xen: Implement XenStore transactions David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 05/26] hw/xen: Watches on " David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 06/26] xenstore perms WIP David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 07/26] hw/xen: Implement core serialize/deserialize methods for xenstore_impl David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 08/26] hw/xen: Create initial XenStore nodes David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 09/26] hw/xen: Add evtchn operations to allow redirection to internal emulation David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 10/26] hw/xen: Add gnttab " David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 11/26] hw/xen: Pass grant ref to gnttab unmap operation David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 12/26] hw/xen: Add foreignmem operations to allow redirection to internal emulation David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 13/26] hw/xen: Add xenstore " David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 14/26] hw/xen: Move xenstore_store_pv_console_info to xen_console.c David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 15/26] hw/xen: Use XEN_PAGE_SIZE in PV backend drivers David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 16/26] hw/xen: Rename xen_common.h to xen_native.h David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 17/26] hw/xen: Build PV backend drivers for CONFIG_XEN_BUS David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 18/26] hw/xen: Avoid crash when backend watch fires too early David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 19/26] hw/xen: Only advertise ring-page-order for xen-block if gnttab supports it David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 20/26] hw/xen: Hook up emulated implementation for event channel operations David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 21/26] hw/xen: Add emulated implementation of grant table operations David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 22/26] hw/xen: Add emulated implementation of XenStore operations David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 23/26] hw/xen: Map guest XENSTORE_PFN grant in emulated Xenstore David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 24/26] hw/xen: Implement soft reset for emulated gnttab David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 25/26] hw/xen: Subsume xen_be_register_common() into xen_be_init() David Woodhouse
2023-02-16  9:44 ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 26/26] i386/xen: Initialize Xen backends from pc_basic_device_init() for emulation David Woodhouse
2023-02-16 10:49 ` Juan Quintela [this message]
2023-02-16 13:51   ` [RFC PATCH v11bis 00/26] Emulated XenStore and PV backend support David Woodhouse
2023-02-16 14:02     ` Juan Quintela
2023-02-16 15:33       ` David Woodhouse

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