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From: "Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
To: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Reinoud Zandijk" <reinoud@netbsd.org>,
	"Ryo ONODERA" <ryoon@netbsd.org>,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org, "Hanna Reitz" <hreitz@redhat.com>,
	"Warner Losh" <imp@bsdimp.com>, "Beraldo Leal" <bleal@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Kyle Evans" <kevans@freebsd.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	"Wainer dos Santos Moschetta" <wainersm@redhat.com>,
	"Cleber Rosa" <crosa@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Michael Tokarev" <mjt@tls.msk.ru>,
	armbru@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/11] qemu-options: finesse the recommendations around -blockdev
Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2023 15:55:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ttxvlmqx.fsf@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCwsvaxRzx4bzbXo@redhat.com>


Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com> writes:

> Am 03.04.2023 um 15:49 hat Alex Bennée geschrieben:
>> We are a bit premature in recommending -blockdev/-device as the best
>> way to configure block devices, especially in the common case.
>> Improve the language to hopefully make things clearer.
>> 
>> Suggested-by: Michael Tokarev <mjt@tls.msk.ru>
>> Signed-off-by: Alex Bennée <alex.bennee@linaro.org>
>> Reviewed-by: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
>> Message-Id: <20230330101141.30199-5-alex.bennee@linaro.org>
>> ---
>>  qemu-options.hx | 8 ++++++--
>>  1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
>> 
>> diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
>> index 59bdf67a2c..9a69ed838e 100644
>> --- a/qemu-options.hx
>> +++ b/qemu-options.hx
>> @@ -1143,10 +1143,14 @@ have gone through several iterations as the feature set and complexity
>>  of the block layer have grown. Many online guides to QEMU often
>>  reference older and deprecated options, which can lead to confusion.
>>  
>> -The recommended modern way to describe disks is to use a combination of
>> +The most explicit way to describe disks is to use a combination of
>>  ``-device`` to specify the hardware device and ``-blockdev`` to
>>  describe the backend. The device defines what the guest sees and the
>> -backend describes how QEMU handles the data.
>> +backend describes how QEMU handles the data. The ``-drive`` option
>> +combines the device and backend into a single command line options
>> +which is useful in the majority of cases. Older options like ``-hda``
>> +bake in a lot of assumptions from the days when QEMU was emulating a
>> +legacy PC, they are not recommended for modern configurations.
>
> Let's not make the use of -drive look more advisable than it really is.
> If you're writing a management tool/script and you're still using -drive
> today, you're doing it wrong.
>
> Maybe this is actually the point where we should just clearly define
> that -blockdev is the only supported stable API (like QMP), and that
> -drive etc. are convenient shortcuts for human users with no
> compatibility promise (like HMP).

OK I'll drop this patch from today's PR and await a better description
in due course.

>
> What stopped us from doing so is that there are certain boards that
> don't allow the user to configure the onboard devices, but that look at
> -drive. These wouldn't provide any stable API any more after this
> change. However, if this hasn't been solved in many years, maybe it's
> time to view it as the board's problem, and use this change to motivate
> them to implement ways to configure the devices. Or maybe some don't
> even want to bother with a stable API, who knows.
>
> Kevin


-- 
Alex Bennée
Virtualisation Tech Lead @ Linaro


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-04 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-03 13:49 [PATCH v2 00/11] more misc fixes for 8.0 (tests, gdbstub, meta, docs) Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] scripts/coverage: initial coverage comparison script Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] gdbstub: Only build libgdb_user.fa / libgdb_softmmu.fa if necessary Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] gdbstub: don't report auxv feature unless on Linux Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] MAINTAINERS: add a section for policy documents Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] qemu-options: finesse the recommendations around -blockdev Alex Bennée
2023-04-04 13:57   ` Kevin Wolf
2023-04-04 14:55     ` Alex Bennée [this message]
2023-04-04 15:07     ` Michael Tokarev
2023-04-04 16:17       ` Kevin Wolf
2023-04-06 20:23         ` Reinoud Zandijk
2023-04-11 12:09           ` Kevin Wolf
2023-04-11 13:03             ` Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] metadata: add .git-blame-ignore-revs Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] Use hexagon toolchain version 16.0.0 Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] tests/qemu-iotests: explicitly invoke 'check' via 'python' Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] tests/vm: use the default system python for NetBSD Alex Bennée
2023-04-04 11:24   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] gitlab: fix typo Alex Bennée
2023-04-03 13:49 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] tests/avocado: Test Xen guest support under KVM Alex Bennée

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