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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Peter Krempa <pkrempa@redhat.com>,
	 eduardo@habkost.net, antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru,
	 philmd@linaro.org,  mst@redhat.com,
	"reviewer:Incompatible changes" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	 Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>,
	 den-plotnikov@yandex-team.ru, marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com,
	 pbonzini@redhat.com,  eblake@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 14/16] qapi: deprecate "device" field of DEVICE_* events
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 12:49:24 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87ttzojwl7.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y+ttBkTvDv1T7qi1@redhat.com> ("Daniel P. Berrangé"'s message of "Tue, 14 Feb 2023 11:14:14 +0000")

Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:

> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 10:25:22AM +0100, Peter Krempa wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 09:54:22 +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
>> > Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
>> > 
>> > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 05:01:01PM +0300, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
>> > >> The device field is redundant, because QOM path always include device
>> > >> ID when this ID exist.
>> > >
>> > > The flipside to that view is that applications configuring QEMU are
>> > > specifying the device ID for -device (CLI) / device_add (QMP) and
>> > > not the QOM path. IOW, the device ID is the more interesting field
>> > > than QOM path, so feels like the wrong one to be dropping.
>> > 
>> > QOM path is a reliable way to identify a device.  Device ID isn't:
>> > devices need not have one.  Therefore, dropping the QOM path would be
>> > wrong.
>> > 
>> > > Is there any real benefit to dropping this ? 
>> > 
>> > The device ID is a trap for the unwary: relying on it is fine until you
>> > run into a scenario where you have to deal with devices lacking IDs.
>> 
>> Note that libvirt's code is still using the 'device' bit rather than QOM
>> path and the fix might not be entirely trivial although should not be
>> too hard.
>
> What's the documented way to construct a QOM path, given only an ID  as
> input ?

QOM paths a gap in our documentation, even though the composition tree
structure has been stable since day one, and is de facto ABI.

Short answer: "/machine/peripheral/ID".

Long answer follows.

We have three "containers" under /machine that serve as parents for
devices:

* /machine/peripheral/

  Parent of user-created devices with ID.  Children are named "ID".

  Put there by qdev_set_id(), called from qdev_device_add_from_qdict().

  On "user-created": Nothing stops board code to abuse qdev_set_id() for
  onboard devices, directly or indirectly, but it really, really
  shouldn't.

* /machine/peripheral-anon/

  Parent of user-created devices without ID.  Children are named
  "device[N]", where N counts up from zero.

  Put there by qdev_set_id(), called from qdev_device_add_from_qdict().

  Again, abuse by board code is possible, but would be wrong.

  Beware: a particular device's N changes when the set of devices
  created before it grows or shrinks.  Messing with the machine type can
  change it (different onboard devices).

* /machine/unattached/

  Surrogate parent of onboard devices created without a parent.

  Put there by device_set_realized() (general case),
  qdev_connect_gpio_out_named() (input pins) , memory_region_do_init()
  (memory regions), qemu_create_machine() (the main sysbus).

  I believe this container was created as a convenience, so we don't
  have to retrofit parents to existing code.  Probably abused ever
  since.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-02-14 11:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-13 14:00 [PATCH v4 00/16] pci hotplug tracking Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 01/16] pci/shpc: set attention led to OFF on reset Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:16   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14  9:49     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:31   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 02/16] pci/shpc: change shpc_get_status() return type to uint8_t Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:32   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 03/16] pci/shpc: shpc_slot_command(): handle PWRONLY -> ENABLED transition Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:33   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 04/16] pci/shpc: more generic handle hot-unplug in shpc_slot_command() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:34   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 05/16] pci/shpc: pass PCIDevice pointer to shpc_slot_command() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:35   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 06/16] pci/shpc: refactor shpc_device_plug_common() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:36   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 07/16] pcie: pcie_cap_slot_write_config(): use correct macro Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:37   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 08/16] pcie_regs: drop duplicated indicator value macros Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:39   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 09/16] pcie: drop unused PCIExpressIndicator Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:40   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 10/16] pcie: pcie_cap_slot_enable_power() use correct helper Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:41   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 11/16] pcie: introduce pcie_sltctl_powered_off() helper Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:41   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 12/16] pcie: set power indicator to off on reset by default Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:42   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:01 ` [PATCH v4 13/16] pci: introduce pci_find_the_only_child() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:43   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:01 ` [PATCH v4 14/16] qapi: deprecate "device" field of DEVICE_* events Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:13   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-14  8:54     ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14  9:25       ` Peter Krempa
2023-02-14 11:14         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-14 11:49           ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2023-02-14 11:53             ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14 12:17               ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14 13:56                 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14 16:18                   ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14 11:53             ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14 11:13       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-14 11:57         ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14 13:51           ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 13:59           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-14 16:28             ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-15 21:00               ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-16  0:34                 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-13 14:01 ` [PATCH v4 15/16] qapi: add HOTPLUG_STATE event Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:10   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14  8:56     ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14  9:52       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:01 ` [PATCH v4 16/16] qapi: introduce DEVICE_ON event Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:12   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14  8:58     ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14  9:56       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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