From: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, berrange@redhat.com, armbru@redhat.com,
Claudio Fontana <cfontana@suse.de>, Jim Fehlig <jfehlig@suse.com>,
Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>,
Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 18/18] migration/ram: Add direct-io support to precopy file migration
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2024 15:42:35 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y17gwq5g.fsf@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Zl9_ZiC6-743ZosG@x1n>
Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> writes:
> On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 04:05:48PM -0300, Fabiano Rosas wrote:
>> We've recently added support for direct-io with multifd, which brings
>> performance benefits, but creates a non-uniform user interface by
>> coupling direct-io with the multifd capability. This means that users
>> cannot keep the direct-io flag enabled while disabling multifd.
>>
>> Libvirt in particular already has support for direct-io and parallel
>> migration separately from each other, so it would be a regression to
>> now require both options together. It's relatively simple for QEMU to
>> add support for direct-io migration without multifd, so let's do this
>> in order to keep both options decoupled.
>>
>> We cannot simply enable the O_DIRECT flag, however, because not all IO
>> performed by the migration thread satisfies the alignment requirements
>> of O_DIRECT. There are many small read & writes that add headers and
>> synchronization flags to the stream, which at the moment are required
>> to always be present.
>>
>> Fortunately, due to fixed-ram migration there is a discernible moment
>> where only RAM pages are written to the migration file. Enable
>> direct-io during that moment.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Fabiano Rosas <farosas@suse.de>
>
> Is anyone going to consume this? How's the performance?
I don't think we have a pre-determined consumer for this. This came up
in an internal discussion about making the interface simpler for libvirt
and in a thread on the libvirt mailing list[1] about using O_DIRECT to
keep the snapshot data out of the caches to avoid impacting the rest of
the system. (I could have described this better in the commit message,
sorry).
Quoting Daniel:
"Note the reason for using O_DIRECT is *not* to make saving / restoring
the guest VM faster. Rather it is to ensure that saving/restoring a VM
does not trash the host I/O / buffer cache, which will negatively impact
performance of all the *other* concurrently running VMs."
1- https://lore.kernel.org/r/87sez86ztq.fsf@suse.de
About performance, a quick test on a stopped 30G guest, shows
mapped-ram=on direct-io=on it's 12% slower than mapped-ram=on
direct-io=off.
>
> It doesn't look super fast to me if we need to enable/disable dio in each
> loop.. then it's a matter of whether we should bother, or would it be
> easier that we simply require multifd when direct-io=on.
AIUI, the issue here that users are already allowed to specify in
libvirt the equivalent to direct-io and multifd independent of each
other (bypass-cache, parallel). To start requiring both together now in
some situations would be a regression. I confess I don't know libvirt
code to know whether this can be worked around somehow, but as I said,
it's a relatively simple change from the QEMU side.
Another option which would be for libvirt to keep using multifd, but
make it 1 channel only if --parallel is not specified. That might be
enough to solve the interface issues. Of course, it's a different code
altogether than the usual precopy code that gets executed when
multifd=off, I don't know whether that could be an issue somehow.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-06-07 23:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-23 19:05 [PATCH v2 00/18] migration/mapped-ram: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 01/18] migration: Fix file migration with fdset Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-24 10:51 ` Prasad Pandit
2024-05-24 12:30 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-25 6:16 ` Prasad Pandit
2024-05-30 16:11 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 14:58 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:20 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 02/18] tests/qtest/migration: Fix file migration offset check Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 16:14 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-03 10:21 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 03/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add a precopy file test with fdset Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 16:18 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 04/18] monitor: Drop monitor_fdset_dup_fd_add() Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:26 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 05/18] monitor: Introduce monitor_fdset_*free Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 20:03 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:01 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 06/18] monitor: Stop removing non-duplicated fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:05 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:25 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:56 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-04 23:40 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2024-06-05 12:31 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 07/18] monitor: Simplify fdset and fd removal Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:58 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 08/18] monitor: Report errors from monitor_fdset_dup_fd_add Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:08 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 09/18] io: Stop using qemu_open_old in channel-file Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:10 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 10/18] migration: Add direct-io parameter Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:12 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 11/18] migration/multifd: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:35 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:27 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 12/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add tests for file migration with direct-io Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 13/18] monitor: fdset: Match against O_DIRECT Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-30 21:41 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-31 15:42 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-31 15:58 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 14/18] migration: Add documentation for fdset with multifd + file Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:46 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 15/18] tests/qtest/migration: Add a test for mapped-ram with passing of fds Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:51 ` Peter Xu
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 16/18] io/channel-file: Add direct-io support Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-03 10:32 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 17/18] migration: Add direct-io helpers Fabiano Rosas
2024-05-23 19:05 ` [PATCH v2 18/18] migration/ram: Add direct-io support to precopy file migration Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-04 20:56 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-07 18:42 ` Fabiano Rosas [this message]
2024-06-07 20:39 ` Jim Fehlig
2024-06-10 16:09 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-10 17:45 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-10 19:02 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-10 19:07 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-10 20:12 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-12 18:08 ` Fabiano Rosas
2024-06-12 18:15 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-12 18:27 ` Peter Xu
2024-06-12 18:44 ` Fabiano Rosas
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