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From: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
To: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Michael Roth" <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/57] docs: Add new QAPI transmogrifier
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2025 11:58:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zfhya0is.fsf@pond.sub.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87jz93n281.fsf@pond.sub.org> (Markus Armbruster's message of "Wed, 05 Mar 2025 12:31:10 +0100")

Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> writes:

> John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> writes:
>
>> Hi! This series is based on armbru/pull-qapi-2025-02-26.
>>
>> This series is a "minimum viable" version of the new QAPI documentation
>> system. It does the bare minimum under the new framework, saving nice
>> features for later.
>
> Not saved for later: a massive improvement of the generated
> documentation's looks and usability.  Moreover, I hope the new generator
> will be easier to maintain than the old one, because its inner workings
> are closer to how Sphinx expects such things to work.  Fair?
>
>>
>> Patches 3-29 implement the qapi_domain extension.
>> Patches 30-57 implement the qapidoc "Transmogrifier".
>>
>> This series is still "RFC" quality, though it's quite nearly actually
>> ready for inclusion. The "add transmogrifier test document" patch is not
>> intended for actual merge, it's just there to demonstrate the new
>> document generator by producing output in docs/manual/qapi/index.html.
>>
>> Known shortcomings in this series:
>>
>> - Still no new QAPI unit tests. I'll add those for next go-around.
>
> Not a blocker as far as I'm concerned, because I feel you're unlikely to
> run away from this :)
>
>> - No new documentation. Also for next revision. I'll document the QAPI
>>   domain syntax and give a brief overview of how the transmogrifier
>>   functions, and a quick rundown of any new rST syntax that may be
>>   pertinent to QAPI documentation writers.
>
> Likewise.
>
>> - IFCOND information is still rendered in two places, we'll need to
>>   decide where and how we want to render it.
>
> I'll have a look, and then we'll talk.

Two shortcomings, actually:

  - IFCOND in definitions (enum, struct, union, alternate, command,
    event) are rendered in two places.

    Example: query-tpm has 'if': 'CONFIG_TPM'.  The rendered
    documentation looks like this:

        Command query-tpm ["#if" "CONFIG_TPM"] (Since: 1.5)
            *Availability*: "CONFIG_TPM"

           Return information about the TPM device

           Example::
              [...]

    With the old generator, it looks like

        "query-tpm" (Command)
        ---------------------

        Return information about the TPM device


        Since
        ~~~~~

        1.5

        Example::
           [...]

        If
        ~~

        "CONFIG_TPM"

    So, three ways to present the information, none of them immediately
    obvious to a casual reader.  The easiest to guess right is perhaps
    the "Availability" box.

    The two new ways are in more conspicious spots than the old one is.
    Not sure I like that; I believe ifconds are fairly uninteresting to
    users of QMP most of the time.  More on that below.

    The "Availability" box is even more conspicious than the [#if ...]
    bracket.  It also uses more space.

    For complex conditions, the [#if ...] bracket can make the first
    line less readable.  Example:

        Command query-cpu-definitions ["#if" "TARGET_PPC or TARGET_ARM or TARGET_I386 or TARGET_S390X or TARGET_MIPS or TARGET_LOONGARCH64 or TARGET_RISCV"] (Since: 1.2)
            *Availability*: "TARGET_PPC or TARGET_ARM or TARGET_I386 or
           TARGET_S390X or TARGET_MIPS or TARGET_LOONGARCH64 or TARGET_RISCV"

           Return a list of supported virtual CPU definitions

    The first line matters.  This tips the balance for me.  Let's go
    with the "Availability" box at least for now.

    There's a symbol before "Availability" in the generated HTML.  Its
    meaning is less than obvious.  I remember you explained it to me,
    but I forgot.  We can polish this later.

  - IFCOND elsewhere is not rendered at all.  This is a regression.  The
    old generator shows it like this:

        "mptcp": "boolean" (optional) (**If: **"HAVE_IPPROTO_MPTCP")
           enable multi-path TCP.  (Since 6.1)

    I believe the regression is tolerable for now, because the
    information lost is only modestly useful for users of QMP, and the
    massive improvements the new generator provides outweigh this small
    loss.

    Why only modestly useful?  It tells the reader the thing's
    availability depends on how QEMU was built.  It also provides a clue
    that should let a developer or sufficiently clever non-developer
    rebuild QEMU to provide the thing.  This would involve some code
    spelunking.

>> - No QAPI namespace support ... yet. So we can't enable it for QMP, QGA
>>   and QSD simultaneously just yet. I don't think it will be difficult.

[...]



  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-03-06 10:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-05  3:45 [PATCH 00/57] docs: Add new QAPI transmogrifier John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 01/57] do-not-merge John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 02/57] qapi: shush pylint up John Snow
2025-03-05  6:28   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05 15:31     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 03/57] docs/sphinx: create QAPI domain extension stub John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 04/57] docs/sphinx: add compat.py module and nested_parse helper John Snow
2025-03-07  5:46   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 20:08     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 05/57] docs/qapi-domain: add qapi:module directive John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 06/57] docs/qapi-domain: add QAPI domain object registry John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 07/57] docs/qapi-domain: add QAPI index John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 08/57] docs/qapi-domain: add resolve_any_xref() John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 09/57] docs/qapi-domain: add QAPI xref roles John Snow
2025-03-07 10:08   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 21:23     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 10/57] docs/qapi-domain: add compatibility node classes John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 11/57] docs/qapi-domain: add qapi:command directive John Snow
2025-03-07  6:33   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 22:39     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 12/57] docs/qapi-domain: add :since: directive option John Snow
2025-03-07  6:59   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 22:43     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 13/57] docs/qapi-domain: add "Arguments:" field lists John Snow
2025-03-07  7:46   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 22:48     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 14/57] docs/qapi-domain: add "Features:" " John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 15/57] docs/qapi-domain: add "Errors:" " John Snow
2025-03-07  7:48   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 22:50     ` John Snow
2025-03-08  6:49       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 16/57] docs/qapi-domain: add "Returns:" " John Snow
2025-03-07  7:58   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 22:58     ` John Snow
2025-03-08  6:57       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 17/57] docs/qapi-domain: add qapi:enum directive John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 18/57] docs/qapi-domain: add qapi:alternate directive John Snow
2025-03-07 10:18   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 23:02     ` John Snow
2025-03-08  6:58       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 19/57] docs/qapi-domain: add qapi:event directive John Snow
2025-03-07 10:26   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 23:06     ` John Snow
2025-03-08  7:00       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 20/57] docs/qapi-domain: add qapi:object directive John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 21/57] docs/qapi-domain: add :deprecated: directive option John Snow
2025-03-05  9:13   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05 15:34     ` John Snow
2025-03-06  7:22       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-07 10:47   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08 18:24     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 22/57] docs/qapi-domain: add :unstable: " John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 23/57] docs/qapi-domain: add :ifcond: " John Snow
2025-03-07 10:57   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 24/57] docs/qapi-domain: add warnings for malformed field lists John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 25/57] docs/qapi-domain: add type cross-refs to " John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 26/57] docs/qapi-domain: add CSS styling John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 27/57] docs/qapi-domain: add XREF compatibility goop for Sphinx < 4.1 John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 28/57] docs/qapi-domain: warn when QAPI domain xrefs fail to resolve John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 29/57] docs/qapi-domain: Fix error context reporting in Sphinx 5.x and 6.x John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 30/57] qapi/parser: adjust info location for doc body section John Snow
2025-03-05 10:10   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-06  3:42     ` John Snow
2025-03-06  6:53       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 31/57] qapi: expand tags to all doc sections John Snow
2025-03-05 10:16   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-06  3:58     ` John Snow
2025-03-06  7:42       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 32/57] qapi/schema: add __repr__ to QAPIDoc.Section John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 33/57] docs/qapidoc: add transmogrifier stub John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 34/57] docs/qapidoc: split old implementation into qapidoc_legacy.py John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 35/57] docs/qapidoc: Fix static typing on qapidoc.py John Snow
2025-03-07 11:59   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08 18:32     ` John Snow
2025-03-09  5:37       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-09  6:46         ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 36/57] do-not-merge John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 37/57] docs/qapidoc: add transmogrifier class stub John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 38/57] docs/qapidoc: add visit_module() method John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 39/57] qapi/source: allow multi-line QAPISourceInfo advancing John Snow
2025-03-05 10:35   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-06  3:13     ` John Snow
2025-03-06  7:01       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 40/57] docs/qapidoc: add visit_freeform() method John Snow
2025-03-07 12:10   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08  8:02     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 41/57] docs/qapidoc: add preamble() method John Snow
2025-03-07 12:13   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08  8:03     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 42/57] docs/qapidoc: add visit_paragraph() method John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 43/57] docs/qapidoc: add visit_errors() method John Snow
2025-03-07 12:14   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 44/57] docs/qapidoc: add format_type() method John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 45/57] docs/qapidoc: add add_field() and generate_field() helper methods John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 46/57] docs/qapidoc: add visit_feature() method John Snow
2025-03-07 12:16   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 47/57] docs/qapidoc: prepare to record entity being transmogrified John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 48/57] docs/qapidoc: add visit_returns() method John Snow
2025-03-07 12:18   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08  8:06     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 49/57] docs/qapidoc: add visit_member() method John Snow
2025-03-07 12:24   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08  8:07     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:45 ` [PATCH 50/57] docs/qapidoc: add visit_sections() method John Snow
2025-03-07 12:25   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08  8:10     ` John Snow
2025-03-08  9:20       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:46 ` [PATCH 51/57] docs/qapidoc: add visit_entity() John Snow
2025-03-07 12:26   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08  8:12     ` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:46 ` [PATCH 52/57] docs/qapidoc: implement transmogrify() method John Snow
2025-03-05  3:46 ` [PATCH 53/57] docs: disambiguate cross-references John Snow
2025-03-05  3:46 ` [PATCH 54/57] docs/qapidoc: add transmogrifier test document John Snow
2025-03-09  7:19   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:46 ` [PATCH 55/57] docs/qapidoc: process @foo into ``foo`` John Snow
2025-03-05  3:46 ` [PATCH 56/57] docs/qapidoc: add intermediate output debugger John Snow
2025-03-07 12:34   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08  8:13     ` John Snow
2025-03-08  9:21       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05  3:46 ` [PATCH 57/57] docs/qapidoc: Add "the members of" pointers John Snow
2025-03-07 12:37   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-08  8:18     ` John Snow
2025-03-05 11:31 ` [PATCH 00/57] docs: Add new QAPI transmogrifier Markus Armbruster
2025-03-05 15:40   ` John Snow
2025-03-06  7:19     ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-06 10:58   ` Markus Armbruster [this message]
2025-03-06 12:35 ` Markus Armbruster
2025-03-06 13:27   ` John Snow
2025-03-07 18:19 ` Markus Armbruster

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