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From: Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
To: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>,
	Qemu-block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>, Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
Cc: "qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>
Subject: Re: qcow2: Zero-initialization of external data files
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 15:05:09 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8b4bc264-7bce-c9c1-1905-a22b4c61cae4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <50080252-ff22-78ed-0002-1742c694471b@redhat.com>


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On 07.04.20 00:22, Eric Blake wrote:
> On 2/17/20 10:56 AM, Max Reitz wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> AFAIU, external data files with data_file_raw=on are supposed to return
>> the same data as the qcow2 file when read.  But we still use the qcow2
>> metadata structures (which are by default initialized to “everything
>> unallocated”), even though we never ensure that the external data file
>> is zero, too, so this can happen:
>>
>> $ dd if=/dev/urandom of=foo.raw 64M
>> [...]
>>
>> $ sudo losetup -f --show foo.raw
>> /dev/loop0
>>
>> $ sudo ./qemu-img create -f qcow2 -o \
>>      data_file=/dev/loop0,data_file_raw=on foo.qcow2 64M
>> [...]
>>
>> $ sudo ./qemu-io -c 'read -P 0 0 64M' foo.qcow2
>> read 67108864/67108864 bytes at offset 0
>> 64 MiB, 1 ops; 00.00 sec (25.036 GiB/sec and 400.5751 ops/sec)
> 
> This looks like a bug (and we should fix it for 5.0 if possible)

It seems a bit difficult for 5.0 now.  (But I don’t think it’d be a
regression, so that shouldn’t be too bad.)

> read
> of a data_file_raw=on should not treat unallocated clusters as reading
> 0, but rather as reading whatever the raw data contains.
> 
>>
>> $ sudo ./qemu-io -c 'read -P 0 0 64M' -f raw foo.raw
>> Pattern verification failed at offset 0, 67108864 bytes
>> read 67108864/67108864 bytes at offset 0
>> 64 MiB, 1 ops; 00.01 sec (5.547 GiB/sec and 88.7484 ops/sec)
>>
>> I suppose this behavior is fine for blockdev-create because I guess it’s
>> the user’s responsibility to ensure that the external data file is zero.
>>   But maybe it isn’t, so that’s my first question: Is it really the
>> user’s responsibility or should we always ensure it’s zero?
> 
> I'd argue that requiring the user to pre-zero the raw data file is
> undesirable; and that we should instead fix our code to not report the
> image as reading all zeroes when creating with data_file_raw=on.

OK.  I think that could be achieved by just enforcing @preallocation to
be at least “metadata” whenever @data-file-raw is set.  Would that make
sense?

Max

>> My second question is: If we decide that this is fine for
>> blockdev-create, should at least qcow2_co_create_opts() ensure the data
>> file it just created is zero?
> 
> Having an option to make qemu force-zero the raw image during
> qcow2_co_create_opts seems reasonable, but for performance reasons, I
> don't think the flag should be on by default.
> 



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  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-09 13:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-02-17 16:56 qcow2: Zero-initialization of external data files Max Reitz
2020-04-06 22:22 ` Eric Blake
2020-04-09 13:05   ` Max Reitz [this message]
2020-04-09 13:42     ` Eric Blake
2020-04-09 13:47       ` Eric Blake
2020-04-09 14:10         ` Max Reitz
2020-04-09 14:32           ` Eric Blake
2020-04-09 15:01             ` Max Reitz
2020-04-09 15:46               ` Eric Blake
2020-04-09 15:56                 ` Eric Blake
2020-04-14 12:34                   ` Kevin Wolf
2020-04-14 12:28             ` Kevin Wolf

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