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From: Thomas Huth <thuth@redhat.com>
To: Zhuoying Cai <zycai@linux.ibm.com>,
	berrange@redhat.com, richard.henderson@linaro.org,
	david@redhat.com, jrossi@linux.ibm.com, qemu-s390x@nongnu.org,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: walling@linux.ibm.com, jjherne@linux.ibm.com,
	pasic@linux.ibm.com, borntraeger@linux.ibm.com,
	farman@linux.ibm.com, mjrosato@linux.ibm.com, iii@linux.ibm.com,
	eblake@redhat.com, armbru@redhat.com, alifm@linux.ibm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 12/28] s390x/diag: Implement DIAG 508 subcode 1 for signature verification
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2025 20:08:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8c43bb15-5aaa-4dd5-8776-686c546a305c@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4a05dabf-44cc-43f4-979c-82f6f554cfb5@linux.ibm.com>

On 10/10/2025 18.37, Zhuoying Cai wrote:
> On 10/7/25 6:27 AM, Thomas Huth wrote:
>> On 18/09/2025 01.21, Zhuoying Cai wrote:
>>> From: Collin Walling <walling@linux.ibm.com>
>>>
>>> DIAG 508 subcode 1 performs signature-verification on signed components.
>>> A signed component may be a Linux kernel image, or any other signed
>>> binary. **Verification of initrd is not supported.**
>>>
>>> The instruction call expects two item-pairs: an address of a device
>>> component, an address of the analogous signature file (in PKCS#7 DER format),
>>> and their respective lengths. All of this data should be encapsulated
>>> within a Diag508SigVerifBlock.
>>>
>>> The DIAG handler will read from the provided addresses
>>> to retrieve the necessary data, parse the signature file, then
>>> perform the signature-verification. Because there is no way to
>>> correlate a specific certificate to a component, each certificate
>>> in the store is tried until either verification succeeds, or all
>>> certs have been exhausted.
>>>
>>> The subcode value is denoted by setting the second-to-left-most bit of
>>> a 2-byte field.
>>>
>>> A return code of 1 indicates success, and the index and length of the
>>> corresponding certificate will be set in the Diag508SigVerifBlock.
>>> The following values indicate failure:
>>>
>>> 	0x0102: certificate not available
>>> 	0x0202: component data is invalid
>>> 	0x0302: signature is not in PKCS#7 format
>>> 	0x0402: signature-verification failed
>>> 	0x0502: length of Diag508SigVerifBlock is invalid
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Collin Walling <walling@linux.ibm.com>
>>> Signed-off-by: Zhuoying Cai <zycai@linux.ibm.com>
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> +
>>> +static int handle_diag508_sig_verif(uint64_t addr, size_t svb_size,
>>> +                                    S390IPLCertificateStore *qcs)
>>> +{
>>> +    int rc;
>>> +    int verified;
>>> +    uint32_t svb_len;
>>> +    uint64_t comp_len, comp_addr;
>>> +    uint64_t sig_len, sig_addr;
>>> +    g_autofree uint8_t *svb_comp = NULL;
>>> +    g_autofree uint8_t *svb_sig = NULL;
>>> +    g_autofree Diag508SigVerifBlock *svb = NULL;
>>> +
>>> +    if (!qcs || !qcs->count) {
>>> +        return DIAG_508_RC_NO_CERTS;
>>> +    }
>>> +
>>> +    svb = g_new0(Diag508SigVerifBlock, 1);
>>> +    cpu_physical_memory_read(addr, svb, svb_size);
>>> +
>>> +    svb_len = be32_to_cpu(svb->length);
>>> +    if (svb_len != svb_size) {
>>> +        return DIAG_508_RC_INVAL_LEN;
>>> +    }
>>> +
>>> +    comp_len = be64_to_cpu(svb->comp_len);
>>> +    comp_addr = be64_to_cpu(svb->comp_addr);
>>> +    sig_len = be64_to_cpu(svb->sig_len);
>>> +    sig_addr = be64_to_cpu(svb->sig_addr);
>>> +
>>> +    if (!comp_len || !comp_addr) {
>>> +        return DIAG_508_RC_INVAL_COMP_DATA;
>>> +    }
>>> +
>>> +    if (!sig_len || !sig_addr) {
>>> +        return DIAG_508_RC_INVAL_PKCS7_SIG;
>>> +    }
>>
>> I think there should also be something like an upper limit for comp_len and
>> sign_len here. Otherwise a malicious guest could force QEMU into allocating
>> giga- or terabytes of memory here to cause out-of-memory situations in the host.
>>
> 
> Thank you for the suggestion. I agree that setting an upper limit would
> help prevent unreasonable memory requests. I think it makes sense to
> choose a reasonable value so we don't have to adjust it too often, but
> I'm not entirely sure how to determine an appropriate upper bound.
> 
> Re: sig_len - the signature length can vary depending on the
> cryptographic algorithm, and I don't believe there's a strict limit.
> (FYI, in a somewhat similar situation, we haven't enforced a maximum
> size on certificate files when loading them into memory, since they're
> assumed to be trusted, as Daniel previously suggested -
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-s390x/2025-06/msg00049.html).
> 
> If we'd like to set an upper limit for sig_len, the largest signature
> I've tested is 1165 bytes, signed with an RSA certificate using an
> 8192-bit key. Would 4096 be a reasonable upper bound?

Sounds reasonable, yes.

> Re: comp_len - the size of the guest kernel I'm currently using is
> 14,184,448 (0xD87000). When I built a kernel with make allyesconfig, the
> size can reach 261,005,383 (0xF8EA047). Based on this value, would
> 262,000,000 (0xF9DCD80) an appropriate upper limit?
Make it 0x10000000 = 268435456 Bytes, that feels like a round boundary ;-)

  Thomas



  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-10 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-17 23:21 [PATCH v6 00/28] Secure IPL Support for SCSI Scheme of virtio-blk/virtio-scsi Devices Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 01/28] Add boot-certs to s390-ccw-virtio machine type option Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-18  6:56   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-18  8:38     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-18  8:51       ` Markus Armbruster
2025-09-23  1:31         ` Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-22 23:48       ` Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-29 18:29         ` Collin Walling
2025-10-08 17:49           ` Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-30  9:34   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-30  9:37     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-30  9:43       ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 02/28] crypto/x509-utils: Refactor with GNUTLS fallback Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-18 18:14   ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-30  9:38   ` Thomas Huth
2025-10-02 13:23   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 03/28] crypto/x509-utils: Add helper functions for certificate store Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-18 18:24   ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-30  9:43   ` Thomas Huth
2025-10-02 13:24   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 04/28] hw/s390x/ipl: Create " Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-18 19:46   ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-30 10:26   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 05/28] s390x/diag: Introduce DIAG 320 for Certificate Store Facility Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-18 20:07   ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-30 13:08   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 06/28] s390x/diag: Refactor address validation check from diag308_parm_check Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-18 20:38   ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-30 13:13   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 07/28] s390x/diag: Implement DIAG 320 subcode 1 Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-19 17:20   ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-30 13:30   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 08/28] crypto/x509-utils: Add helper functions for DIAG 320 subcode 2 Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-19 18:02   ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-07  9:34   ` Thomas Huth
2025-10-07  9:38     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-10-07  9:41       ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 09/28] s390x/diag: Implement " Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-24 21:53   ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-26 13:42     ` Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 10/28] s390x/diag: Introduce DIAG 508 for secure IPL operations Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-25 20:50   ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-07  9:47   ` Thomas Huth
2025-10-07 19:46     ` Collin Walling
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 11/28] crypto/x509-utils: Add helper functions for DIAG 508 subcode 1 Zhuoying Cai
2025-10-07  9:58   ` Thomas Huth
2025-10-07 10:10     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 12/28] s390x/diag: Implement DIAG 508 subcode 1 for signature verification Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-25 21:30   ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-07 10:27   ` Thomas Huth
2025-10-10 16:37     ` Zhuoying Cai
2025-10-10 18:08       ` Thomas Huth [this message]
2025-10-07 20:22   ` Collin Walling
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 13/28] pc-bios/s390-ccw: Introduce IPL Information Report Block (IIRB) Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-25 22:02   ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 14/28] pc-bios/s390-ccw: Define memory for IPLB and convert IPLB to pointers Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-30  5:17   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 15/28] hw/s390x/ipl: Add IPIB flags to IPL Parameter Block Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-29 21:21   ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 16/28] s390x: Guest support for Secure-IPL Facility Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 17/28] pc-bios/s390-ccw: Refactor zipl_run() Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-26 12:51   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 18/28] pc-bios/s390-ccw: Rework zipl_load_segment function Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-26 13:02   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 19/28] pc-bios/s390-ccw: Add signature verification for secure IPL in audit mode Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-26 13:10   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-30 18:42   ` Farhan Ali
2025-10-10 18:00     ` Zhuoying Cai
2025-10-10 19:37       ` Farhan Ali
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 20/28] s390x: Guest support for Secure-IPL Code Loading Attributes Facility (SCLAF) Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-29 12:25   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-30 13:06     ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 21/28] pc-bios/s390-ccw: Add additional security checks for secure boot Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-29 13:30   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-29 20:43     ` Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-30  5:14       ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 22/28] Add secure-boot to s390-ccw-virtio machine type option Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-29 14:05   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 23/28] hw/s390x/ipl: Set IPIB flags for secure IPL Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 24/28] pc-bios/s390-ccw: Handle true secure IPL mode Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-29 15:24   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 25/28] pc-bios/s390-ccw: Handle secure boot with multiple boot devices Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-29 18:11   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 26/28] hw/s390x/ipl: Handle secure boot without specifying a boot device Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 27/28] docs/specs: Add secure IPL documentation Zhuoying Cai
2025-10-07 11:40   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-17 23:21 ` [PATCH v6 28/28] docs/system/s390x: " Zhuoying Cai
2025-09-29 18:23   ` Thomas Huth
2025-09-26 12:38 ` [PATCH v6 00/28] Secure IPL Support for SCSI Scheme of virtio-blk/virtio-scsi Devices Thomas Huth

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