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Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH 3/3] block/qcow2-bitmap: rewrite bitmap reopening logic X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "fam@euphon.net" , "kwolf@redhat.com" , Denis Lunev , "mreitz@redhat.com" Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: "Qemu-devel" On 5/30/19 4:23 AM, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote: > 29.05.2019 21:08, John Snow wrote: >> On 5/29/19 5:10 AM, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote: >>> 29.05.2019 2:24, John Snow wrote: >>>> On 5/23/19 11:47 AM, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote: [...] >> >> Right, we've not really used readonly in this way before. It makes sense >> to a point, but it's a bit of a semantic overload -- the disk is >> actually RW but the bitmap is RO; the problem that I have with this is >> that we guard RO bitmaps with assertions and not errors, > > Oops, you are right. I thought we have errors for guest writes in this case. > (I'm looking at your second email) -- Ah, we guard this elsewhere. Asserts: bdrv_set_dirty_bitmap_locked bdrv_reset_dirty_bitmap_locked bdrv_clear_dirty_bitmap bdrv_restore_dirty_bitmap bdrv_set_dirty Runtime errors (via has_readonly_bitmaps): bdrv_aligned_pwritev bdrv_co_pdiscard I guess it's OK to set readonly in this way then, but I still think it's a little confusing and, so long as the in-memory inconsistent bit is set, not strictly necessary. (Unless there's some case I am not aware of, or it just helps the code to be nicer in some way, etc. I'm not aiming to be a purist about the way this flag is used.) >> so it seems >> feasible to me that the reopen-rw will succeed, a guest will write, and >> then we'll abort because of these "readonly corrupt" bitmaps. >> >> In other words, we don't *really* support the idea of having readonly >> bitmaps on readwrite nodes. >> >> I think given that this is an error state to begin with that simply >> marking the bitmap as inconsistent in memory (and trying to write the >> IN_USE flag to its header) is sufficient, it will skip any new writes >> and prohibit its use for any backup operations. > > So, you propose not to annoy user too much because of inconsistent bitmaps, > for which we can't sync their inconsistancy to the image.. May be it's OK, > but let's see what we decide in block-discussion. It would be really cool > if we can move this all to .prepare > Hm, I wouldn't say it's about not annoying the user too much; we should still try to write the IN_USE flag to the image and (ideally) report that we were unable to if we fail. So I think doing these two things is enough: 1. Set the in-memory inconsistent flag, which will prohibit the user from doing anything with this bitmap AND ignore all future data writes 2. Attempt to write the IN_USE flag back out to disk to ensure that it will be loaded inconsistent in the future. If we fail to do so, this should be considered a fatal error. (Why can't we write to our node? It's probably EIO or something fatal.) Of course, actually having #2 be fatal depends on reworking the block layer a bit. [...] >>>>> + if (need_update) { >>>>> + if (!can_write(bs->file->bs)) { >>>> >>>> I genuinely don't know: is it legitimate to check your child's write >>>> permission in this way? will we always have bs->file->bs? >>> >>> Hmm.. but we are going to write to it very soon, I think it should exist. >>> >> >> Apparently Max is adding a bdrv_storage_bs() helper for this exact >> thing, in an upcoming patch. I just get nervous when I see double >> indirections > > > Hmm... But if we have separate data file for qcow2, bdrv_storage_bs will refer to it, > so here we need exactly bs->file I think. > Alright, I don't know the particulars. Whatever works is fine by me. [...] >>> >>> Yes. In short, it was bad, it still bad, but at least one bug is fixed :) >>> >> >> Hahaha! Very good summary. Let's discuss the block implications with >> Max, Berto and Kevin. Until then, do you think it's OK to split out the >> release_bitmaps boolean as its own patch to "lessen" the severity of the >> bug? > > Bitmap will not be reopend rw anyway, so, we should crash on first guest write, as > you noted.. > Why not? If the bitmaps are still in memory (because we didn't close them fully on reopen-ro), then reopen-rw ought to be able to see them and drop the readonly marker, right? > Maybe, I'll refactor it back, to return normal error, and just ignore it in commit, so that, > we'll move it to .prepare as soon as we able to do and with less pain? > I may have misunderstood Max, but at the moment I'm thinking that as much as you can move into prepare() and have it still work the better. I assume that writing the IN_USE flags from prepare() won't work, though, because the nodes aren't technically RW yet, so the write primitives won't work... At this point, I'll trust your judgment to come up with something that seems tidier; I don't think I have suggestions unless I start prototyping it too. (Though I might try to come up with something minimally workable as a bugfix while we try to tackle more systemic issues...) --js