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From: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
To: Peter Krempa <pkrempa@redhat.com>
Cc: kwolf@redhat.com, vsementsov@virtuozzo.com,
	qemu-block@nongnu.org,
	"reviewer:Incompatible changes" <libvir-list@redhat.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>,
	stefanha@redhat.com, Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 06/12] nbd: Update qapi to support exporting multiple bitmaps
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:06:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8f898aa0-11f3-019b-5da7-5ffdce2972bb@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201026105039.GC727443@angien.pipo.sk>

On 10/26/20 5:50 AM, Peter Krempa wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2020 at 13:36:46 -0500, Eric Blake wrote:
>> Since 'nbd-server-add' is deprecated, and 'block-export-add' is new to
>> 5.2, we can still tweak the interface.  Allowing 'bitmaps':['str'] is
>> nicer than 'bitmap':'str'.  This wires up the qapi and qemu-nbd
>> changes to permit passing multiple bitmaps as distinct metadata
>> contexts that the NBD client may request, but the actual support for
>> more than one will require a further patch to the server.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
>> Reviewed-by: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
>> ---

>> +++ b/qapi/block-export.json
>> @@ -74,10 +74,10 @@
>>  # @description: Free-form description of the export, up to 4096 bytes.
>>  #               (Since 5.0)
>>  #
>> -# @bitmap: Also export the dirty bitmap reachable from @device, so the
>> -#          NBD client can use NBD_OPT_SET_META_CONTEXT with the
>> -#          metadata context name "qemu:dirty-bitmap:NAME" to inspect the
>> -#          bitmap. (since 4.0)
>> +# @bitmaps: Also export each of the named dirty bitmaps reachable from
>> +#           @device, so the NBD client can use NBD_OPT_SET_META_CONTEXT with
>> +#           the metadata context name "qemu:dirty-bitmap:BITMAP" to inspect
>> +#           each bitmap. (since 5.2)
> 
> Given unsynchronised release cycles between qemu and management apps
> it's not cool to deprecate an interface without having at least one
> release where the replacement interface is already stable.
> 

That's why I'm trying as hard as possible to get the block-export-add
interface perfect in its 5.2 release; if we agree that allowing qemu to
expose more than one bitmap is beneficial (and I argue that it is), then
the new interface MUST support that from the get-go, and not something
where we release it with 5.2 having 'bitmap' and 6.0 adding 'bitmaps'.

> This means that any project wanting to stay up to date will either have
> to use deprecated interfaces for at least one release and develop the
> replacement only when there's a stable interface or hope that they don't
> have to change the interfaces too often.
> 
> This specifically impacts libvirt as we have validators which notify us
> that a deprecated interface is used and we want to stay in sync, so that
> there's one less group of users to worry about at the point qemu will
> want to delete the interface.

The deprecated interface is nbd-server-add; for _that_ interface, the
'bitmap' parameter will continue to work until nbd-server-add is removed
in 6.1 (so you have all of 5.2 and 6.0 to switch from nbd-server-add to
block-export-add).

What this patch does, then, is alter the deprecation from merely
changing the command from nbd-server-add to block-export-add with all
parameter names remaining the same, to instead changing both the command
name and the 'bitmap'=>'bitmaps' parameter.  But I agree that libvirt
wants to do an all-or-none conversion: there is no reason for libvirt to
use block-export-add until 5.2 is actually released, at which point we
have locked in the new interface; and this patch is a demonstration that
we are still debating about a tweak to that interface before it becomes
locked in.

> 
>>  # @allocation-depth: Also export the allocation depth map for @device, so
>>  #                    the NBD client can use NBD_OPT_SET_META_CONTEXT with
>> @@ -88,7 +88,7 @@
>>  ##
>>  { 'struct': 'BlockExportOptionsNbd',
>>    'data': { '*name': 'str', '*description': 'str',
>> -            '*bitmap': 'str', '*allocation-depth': 'bool' } }
>> +            '*bitmaps': ['str'], '*allocation-depth': 'bool' } }
> 
> This adds 'bitmaps' also to nbd-server-add, which should not happen. You
> probably want to stop using 'base' for 'NbdServerAddOptions' and just
> duplicate everything else.

I can respin this to NOT add 'bitmaps' to the legacy 'nbd-server-add',
if you think that would be better.  It is more complex in the QAPI code,
but not too much more difficulty in the glue code; and the glue code all
goes away in 6.1 when the deprecation cycle ends.

> 
>>  # @NbdServerAddOptions:
>> @@ -100,12 +100,18 @@
>>  # @writable: Whether clients should be able to write to the device via the
>>  #            NBD connection (default false).
>>  #
>> +# @bitmap: Also export a single dirty bitmap reachable from @device, so the
>> +#          NBD client can use NBD_OPT_SET_META_CONTEXT with the metadata
>> +#          context name "qemu:dirty-bitmap:BITMAP" to inspect the bitmap
>> +#          (since 4.0).  Mutually exclusive with @bitmaps, and newer
>> +#          clients should use that instead.
> 
> This doesn't make sense, nbd-server-add never had @bitmaps. Also adding
> features to a deprecated interface doesn't IMO make sense if you want to
> motivate users switch to thne new one.

Fair enough. v6 coming up later today.

-- 
Eric Blake, Principal Software Engineer
Red Hat, Inc.           +1-919-301-3226
Virtualization:  qemu.org | libvirt.org



  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-26 13:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-23 18:36 [PATCH v5 00/12] Exposing backing-chain allocation over NBD Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 01/12] qapi: Move GenericList to qapi/util.h Eric Blake
2020-10-24  9:06   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-10-26 14:18   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-10-26 14:22     ` Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 02/12] qapi: Make QAPI_LIST_ADD() public Eric Blake
2020-10-24  9:10   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-10-26 14:25   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-10-26 14:37     ` Eric Blake
2020-10-26 14:38       ` Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 03/12] nbd: Utilize QAPI_CLONE for type conversion Eric Blake
2020-10-24  9:17   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-10-26 14:41   ` Markus Armbruster
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 04/12] nbd: Add new qemu:allocation-depth metadata context Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 05/12] nbd: Add 'qemu-nbd -A' to expose allocation depth Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 06/12] nbd: Update qapi to support exporting multiple bitmaps Eric Blake
2020-10-26 10:50   ` Peter Krempa
2020-10-26 13:06     ` Eric Blake [this message]
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 07/12] nbd: Simplify qemu bitmap context name Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 08/12] nbd: Refactor counting of metadata contexts Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 09/12] nbd: Allow export of multiple bitmaps for one device Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 10/12] block: Return depth level during bdrv_is_allocated_above Eric Blake
2020-10-24  9:49   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-10-26 12:26     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 11/12] nbd: Expose actual depth in qemu:allocation-depth Eric Blake
2020-10-24  9:59   ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2020-10-26 12:31     ` Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:36 ` [PATCH v5 12/12] qapi: Use QAPI_LIST_ADD() where possible Eric Blake
2020-10-23 20:23   ` Eric Blake
2020-10-23 18:44 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] Exposing backing-chain allocation over NBD Eric Blake
2020-10-26 14:54   ` Markus Armbruster

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