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From: Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>
To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"Amit Shah" <amit@kernel.org>,
	"Kashyap Chamarthy" <kchamart@redhat.com>,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	"Richard W . M . Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>,
	"Markus Armbruster" <armbru@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 1/4] VirtIO-RNG: Update default entropy source to `/dev/urandom`
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:29:30 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <92e8cb19-68d5-b239-6fe1-6bc6fbe271fb@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190529143106.11789-2-lvivier@redhat.com>

On 29/05/2019 16:31, Laurent Vivier wrote:
> From: Kashyap Chamarthy <kchamart@redhat.com>
> 
> When QEMU exposes a VirtIO-RNG device to the guest, that device needs a
> source of entropy, and that source needs to be "non-blocking", like
> `/dev/urandom`.  However, currently QEMU defaults to the problematic
> `/dev/random`, which on Linux is "blocking" (as in, it waits until
> sufficient entropy is available).
> 
> Why prefer `/dev/urandom` over `/dev/random`?
> ---------------------------------------------
> 
> The man pages of urandom(4) and random(4) state:
> 
>     "The /dev/random device is a legacy interface which dates back to a
>     time where the cryptographic primitives used in the implementation
>     of /dev/urandom were not widely trusted.  It will return random
>     bytes only within the estimated number of bits of fresh noise in the
>     entropy pool, blocking if necessary.  /dev/random is suitable for
>     applications that need high quality randomness, and can afford
>     indeterminate delays."
> 
> Further, the "Usage" section of the said man pages state:
> 
>     "The /dev/random interface is considered a legacy interface, and
>     /dev/urandom is preferred and sufficient in all use cases, with the
>     exception of applications which require randomness during early boot
>     time; for these applications, getrandom(2) must be used instead,
>     because it will block until the entropy pool is initialized.
> 
>     "If a seed file is saved across reboots as recommended below (all
>     major Linux distributions have done this since 2000 at least), the
>     output is cryptographically secure against attackers without local
>     root access as soon as it is reloaded in the boot sequence, and
>     perfectly adequate for network encryption session keys.  Since reads
>     from /dev/random may block, users will usually want to open it in
>     nonblocking mode (or perform a read with timeout), and provide some
>     sort of user notification if the desired entropy is not immediately
>     available."
> 
> And refer to random(7) for a comparison of `/dev/random` and
> `/dev/urandom`.
> 
> What about other OSes?
> ----------------------
> 
> `/dev/urandom` exists and works on OS-X, FreeBSD, DragonFlyBSD, NetBSD
> and OpenBSD, which cover all the non-Linux platforms we explicitly
> support, aside from Windows.
> 
> On Windows `/dev/random` doesn't work either so we don't regress.
> This is actually another argument in favour of using the newly
> proposed 'rng-builtin' backend by default, as that will work on
> Windows.
> 
>     - - -
> 
> Given the above, change the entropy source for VirtIO-RNG device to
> `/dev/urandom`.
> 
> Related discussion in these[1][2] past threads.
> 
> [1] https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-06/msg08335.html
>     -- "RNG: Any reason QEMU doesn't default to `/dev/urandom`?"
> [2] https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2018-09/msg02724.html
>     -- "[RFC] Virtio RNG: Consider changing the default entropy source to
>        /dev/urandom"
> 
> Signed-off-by: Kashyap Chamarthy <kchamart@redhat.com>
> Reviewed-by: Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com>
> Reviewed-by: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
> Reviewed-by: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
> Signed-off-by: Laurent Vivier <lvivier@redhat.com>
> ---
>  backends/rng-random.c | 2 +-
>  qemu-options.hx       | 2 +-
>  2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/backends/rng-random.c b/backends/rng-random.c
> index e2a49b0571d7..eff36ef14084 100644
> --- a/backends/rng-random.c
> +++ b/backends/rng-random.c
> @@ -112,7 +112,7 @@ static void rng_random_init(Object *obj)
>                              rng_random_set_filename,
>                              NULL);
>  
> -    s->filename = g_strdup("/dev/random");
> +    s->filename = g_strdup("/dev/urandom");
>      s->fd = -1;
>  }
>  
> diff --git a/qemu-options.hx b/qemu-options.hx
> index 39dc17042967..f6e9bd1d9c42 100644
> --- a/qemu-options.hx
> +++ b/qemu-options.hx
> @@ -4328,7 +4328,7 @@ Creates a random number generator backend which obtains entropy from
>  a device on the host. The @option{id} parameter is a unique ID that
>  will be used to reference this entropy backend from the @option{virtio-rng}
>  device. The @option{filename} parameter specifies which file to obtain
> -entropy from and if omitted defaults to @option{/dev/random}.
> +entropy from and if omitted defaults to @option{/dev/urandom}.
>  
>  @item -object rng-egd,id=@var{id},chardev=@var{chardevid}
>  
> 

I can push this one via a trivial-branch pull request if no one thinks
other patches of the series are ready to be merged.

Thanks,
Laurent


  reply	other threads:[~2019-06-26 20:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-29 14:31 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 0/4] rng-builtin: add an RNG backend that uses qemu_guest_getrandom() Laurent Vivier
2019-05-29 14:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 1/4] VirtIO-RNG: Update default entropy source to `/dev/urandom` Laurent Vivier
2019-06-26 20:29   ` Laurent Vivier [this message]
2019-07-02  7:41   ` Laurent Vivier
2019-07-03 14:26   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-05-29 14:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 2/4] rng-builtin: add an RNG backend that uses qemu_guest_getrandom() Laurent Vivier
2019-06-06  4:46   ` Markus Armbruster
2019-05-29 14:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 3/4] virtio-rng: Keep the default backend out of VirtIORNGConf Laurent Vivier
2019-05-29 14:31 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 4/4] virtio-rng: change default backend to rng-builtin Laurent Vivier
2019-06-05 13:05 ` [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v7 0/4] rng-builtin: add an RNG backend that uses qemu_guest_getrandom() Markus Armbruster
2019-06-05 13:58   ` Laurent Vivier
2019-06-05 17:56     ` Markus Armbruster
2019-06-05 18:36       ` Laurent Vivier
2019-06-06  4:45         ` Markus Armbruster
2019-06-11  8:42 ` Laurent Vivier
2019-06-17 12:09   ` Laurent Vivier
2019-07-02 13:21 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2019-07-02 16:48   ` Laurent Vivier
2019-07-03 14:23     ` Amit Shah
2019-07-03 14:57       ` Laurent Vivier

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