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From: Christian Schoenebeck <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com>
To: Greg Kurz <groug@kaod.org>
Cc: Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@gmail.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	Michael Roitzsch <reactorcontrol@icloud.com>,
	qemu-stable@nongnu.org, Keno Fischer <keno@juliacomputing.com>,
	Will Cohen <wwcohen@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/5] 9pfs: fix qemu_mknodat(S_IFSOCK) on macOS
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 14:32:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9545176.94nLgIBNA9@silver> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220427121810.15783101@bahia>

On Mittwoch, 27. April 2022 12:18:10 CEST Greg Kurz wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:27:28 +0900
> 
> Akihiko Odaki <akihiko.odaki@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2022/04/26 21:38, Greg Kurz wrote:
> [..skip..]
> 
> > > I think Christian's explanation is clear enough. We don't guarantee
> > > that v9fs_co_foo() calls run atomically. As a consequence, the client
> > > might see transient states or be able to interact with an ongoing
> > > request. And to answer your question, we have no specific rationale
> > > on security with that.
> > > 
> > > I'm not sure what the concerns are but unless you come up with a
> > > valid scenario [*] I don't see any reason to prevent this patch
> > > to go forward.
> > > 
> > > [*] things like:
> > >      - client escaping the shared directory
> > >      - QEMU crashing
> > >      - QEMU hogging host resources
> > >      - client-side unprivileged user gaining elevated privleges
> > >      
> > >        in the guest
> > 
> > I was just not sure if such transient states are safe. The past
> > discussion was about the length of the non-atomic time window where a
> > path name is used to identify a particular file, but if such states are
> > not considered problematic, the length does not matter all and we can
> > confidently say the sequence of bind() and chmod() is safe.
> > 
> > Considering the transient states are tolerated in 9pfs, we need to
> > design this function to be tolerant with transient states as well. The
> > use of chmod() is not safe when we consider about transient states. A
> > malicious actor may replace the file at the path with a symlink which
> > may escape the shared directory and chmod() will naively follow it.
> 
> You get a point here. Thanks for your tenacity ! :-)

Yep, I send a v4 with fchmodat_nofollow() instead of chmod(), thanks!

BTW, why is it actually allowed for client to create a symlink pointing 
outside exported directory tree with security_model=passthrough/none? Did 
anybody want that?

> > chmod() should be replaced with fchmodat_nofollow() or something similar.
> 
> On a GNU/Linux system, this could be achieved by calling fchmod() on
> the socket fd *before* calling bind() but I'm afraid this hack might
> not work with a BSDish OS.

As you already imagined, this is unfortunately not supported by any BSDs, 
including macOS. I'll file a bug report with Apple though.

> Replacing chmod() with fchmodat_nofollow(dirfd, addr.sun_path, mode)
> won't make things atomic as above but at least it won't follow a
> malicious symbolic link : mknod() on the client will fail with
> ELOOP, which is fine when it comes to not breaking out of the shared
> directory.

Current security_model=passthrough/none already has similar non-atomic 
operations BTW, so this was not something new. E.g.:

static int local_symlink(FsContext *fs_ctx, const char *oldpath,
                         V9fsPath *dir_path, const char *name, FsCred *credp)
{
    ...
    } else if (fs_ctx->export_flags & V9FS_SM_PASSTHROUGH ||
               fs_ctx->export_flags & V9FS_SM_NONE) {
        err = symlinkat(oldpath, dirfd, name);
        if (err) {
            goto out;
        }
        err = fchownat(dirfd, name, credp->fc_uid, credp->fc_gid,
                       AT_SYMLINK_NOFOLLOW);
    ...
}

In general, if you care about a higher degree of security, I'd always 
recommend to use security_model=mapped in the first place.

> This brings up a new problem I hadn't realized before : the
> fchmodat_nofollow() implementation in 9p-local.c is really
> a linux only thing to cope with AT_SYMLINK_NOFOLLOW not being
> supported with fchmodat(). It looks that this should move to
> 9p-util-linux.c and a proper version should be added for macOS
> in 9p-util-darwin.c

Like already agreed on the other thread, yes, that makes sense. But I think 
this can be handled with a follow-up, separate from this series.

Best regards,
Christian Schoenebeck




  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-27 12:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-04-21 15:08 [PATCH v2 0/5] 9pfs: macOS host fixes Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-21 15:07 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] 9pfs: fix qemu_mknodat(S_IFREG) on macOS Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-21 16:32   ` Greg Kurz
2022-04-21 15:07 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] 9pfs: fix qemu_mknodat(S_IFSOCK) " Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-21 16:36   ` Greg Kurz
2022-04-21 17:29     ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-22  2:43   ` Akihiko Odaki
2022-04-22 14:06     ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-23  4:33       ` Akihiko Odaki
2022-04-24 18:45         ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-26  3:57           ` Akihiko Odaki
2022-04-26 12:38             ` Greg Kurz
2022-04-27  2:27               ` Akihiko Odaki
2022-04-27 10:18                 ` Greg Kurz
2022-04-27 12:32                   ` Christian Schoenebeck [this message]
2022-04-27 13:31                     ` Greg Kurz
2022-04-27 16:18                       ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-27 17:12                         ` Will Cohen
2022-04-27 18:16                           ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-27 17:37                         ` Greg Kurz
2022-04-27 18:36                           ` Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-21 15:07 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] 9pfs: fix wrong encoding of rdev field in Rgetattr " Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-21 16:39   ` Greg Kurz
2022-04-21 15:07 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] 9pfs: fix wrong errno being sent to Linux client on macOS host Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-21 16:39   ` Greg Kurz
2022-04-21 15:07 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] 9pfs: fix removing non-existent POSIX ACL xattr " Christian Schoenebeck
2022-04-21 16:40   ` Greg Kurz

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