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From: Harsh Prateek Bora <harshpb@linux.ibm.com>
To: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>, qemu-devel@nongnu.org
Cc: "Stefan Hajnoczi" <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	"Bernhard Beschow" <shentey@gmail.com>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Jiaxun Yang" <jiaxun.yang@flygoat.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Michael S . Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>,
	"Alistair Francis" <Alistair.Francis@wdc.com>,
	"Palmer Dabbelt" <palmer@dabbelt.com>,
	qemu-riscv@nongnu.org, qemu-ppc@nongnu.org,
	"Huacai Chen" <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	qemu-s390x@nongnu.org, "Halil Pasic" <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Christian Borntraeger" <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Song Gao" <gaosong@loongson.cn>,
	"Bibo Mao" <maobibo@loongson.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] docs/system/security: Restrict "virtualization use case" to specific machines
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2025 14:45:24 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <95e1cffb-30c6-45a8-910e-79f1d5b2602f@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251016131159.750480-1-peter.maydell@linaro.org>



On 10/16/25 18:41, Peter Maydell wrote:
> Currently our security policy defines a "virtualization use case"
> where we consider bugs to be security issues, and a
> "non-virtualization use case" where we do not make any security
> guarantees and don't consider bugs to be security issues.
> 
> The rationale for this split is that much code in QEMU is older and
> was not written with malicious guests in mind, and we don't have the
> resources to audit, fix and defend it.  So instead we inform users
> about what the can in practice rely on as a security barrier, and
> what they can't.
> 
> We don't currently restrict the "virtualization use case" to any
> particular set of machine types.  This means that we have effectively
> barred ourselves from adding KVM support to any machine type that we
> don't want to put into the "bugs are security issues" category, even
> if it would be useful for users to be able to get better performance
> with a trusted guest by enabling KVM. This seems an unnecessary
> restriction, and in practice the set of machine types it makes
> sense to use for untrusted-guest virtualization is quite small.
> 
> Specifically, we would like to be able to enable the use of
> KVM with the imx8 development board machine types, but we don't
> want to commit ourselves to having to support those SoC models
> and device models as part of QEMU's security boundary:
> https://lore.kernel.org/qemu-devel/20250629204851.1778-3-shentey@gmail.com/
> 
> This patch updates the security policy to explicitly list the
> machine types we consider to be useful for the "virtualization
> use case".
> 
> Signed-off-by: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
> ---
> changes v1->v2: updated the list:
>   * remove isapc
>   * remove ppc, mips, mips64 (no machines supported)
>   * list pseries as only supported ppc64 machine
>   * list virt as only supported riscv32, riscv64 machine
> 
> I believe the list to now be correct, and I think we generally
> had some consensus about the idea on the v1 patch discussion, so
> this one is a non-RFC patch.
> 
> ---
>   docs/system/security.rst | 26 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   1 file changed, 26 insertions(+)
> 
> diff --git a/docs/system/security.rst b/docs/system/security.rst
> index f2092c8768b..53992048e65 100644
> --- a/docs/system/security.rst
> +++ b/docs/system/security.rst
> @@ -35,6 +35,32 @@ malicious:
>   Bugs affecting these entities are evaluated on whether they can cause damage in
>   real-world use cases and treated as security bugs if this is the case.
>   
> +To be covered by this security support policy you must:
> +
> +- use a virtualization accelerator like KVM or HVF
> +- use one of the machine types listed below
> +
> +It may be possible to use other machine types with a virtualization
> +accelerator to provide improved performance with a trusted guest
> +workload, but any machine type not listed here should not be
> +considered to be providing guest isolation or security guarantees,
> +and falls under the "non-virtualization use case".
> +
> +Supported machine types for the virtualization use case, by target architecture:
> +
> +aarch64
> +  ``virt``
> +i386, x86_64
> +  ``microvm``, ``xenfv``, ``xenpv``, ``xenpvh``, ``pc``, ``q35``
> +s390x
> +  ``s390-ccw-virtio``
> +loongarch64:
> +  ``virt``
> +ppc64:
> +  ``pseries``

LGTM.

Reviewed-by: Harsh Prateek Bora <harshpb@linux.ibm.com>

> +riscv32, riscv64:
> +  ``virt``
> +
>   Non-virtualization Use Case
>   '''''''''''''''''''''''''''
>   


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-10-17  9:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-16 13:11 [PATCH v2] docs/system/security: Restrict "virtualization use case" to specific machines Peter Maydell
2025-10-16 19:55 ` Christian Borntraeger
2025-10-17  2:31 ` Bibo Mao
2025-10-17  7:06 ` Thomas Huth
2025-10-17  9:15 ` Harsh Prateek Bora [this message]
2025-10-17 11:42 ` Bernhard Beschow
2025-10-27 12:48 ` Peter Maydell
2025-10-27 13:29 ` Markus Armbruster

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