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From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: "Chenyi Qiang" <chenyi.qiang@intel.com>,
	"Baolu Lu" <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>,
	"Alexey Kardashevskiy" <aik@amd.com>,
	"Peter Xu" <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"Gupta Pankaj" <pankaj.gupta@amd.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Michael Roth" <michael.roth@amd.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Williams Dan J <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Peng Chao P <chao.p.peng@intel.com>,
	Gao Chao <chao.gao@intel.com>, Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@intel.com>,
	Li Xiaoyao <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 07/13] ram-block-attribute: Introduce RamBlockAttribute to manage RAMBLock with guest_memfd
Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 10:18:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <96ab7fa9-bd7a-444d-aef8-8c9c30439044@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b547c5a7-5875-4d65-adea-0da870b4b1c2@intel.com>

>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Chenyi Qiang<chenyi.qiang@intel.com>
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>> +
>>> +int ram_block_attribute_realize(RamBlockAttribute *attr, MemoryRegion
>>> *mr)
>>> +{
>>> +    uint64_t shared_bitmap_size;
>>> +    const int block_size  = qemu_real_host_page_size();
>>> +    int ret;
>>> +
>>> +    shared_bitmap_size = ROUND_UP(mr->size, block_size) / block_size;
>>> +
>>> +    attr->mr = mr;
>>> +    ret = memory_region_set_generic_state_manager(mr,
>>> GENERIC_STATE_MANAGER(attr));
>>> +    if (ret) {
>>> +        return ret;
>>> +    }
>>> +    attr->shared_bitmap_size = shared_bitmap_size;
>>> +    attr->shared_bitmap = bitmap_new(shared_bitmap_size);
>>
>> Above introduces a bitmap to track the private/shared state of each 4KB
>> page. While functional, for large RAM blocks managed by guest_memfd,
>> this could lead to significant memory consumption.
>>
>> Have you considered an alternative like a Maple Tree or a generic
>> interval tree? Both are often more memory-efficient for tracking ranges
>> of contiguous states.
> 
> Maybe not necessary. The memory overhead is 1 bit per page
> (1/(4096*8)=0.003%). I think it is not too much.

It's certainly not optimal.

IIRC, QEMU already maintains 3 dirty bitmaps in
ram_list.dirty_memory (DIRTY_MEMORY_NUM = 3) for guest ram.

With KVM, we also allocate yet another dirty bitmap without 
KVM_MEM_LOG_DIRTY_PAGES.

Assuming a 4 TiB VM, a single bitmap should be 128 MiB.

-- 
Cheers,

David / dhildenb



  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-09  8:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 67+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-07  7:49 [PATCH v4 00/13] Enable shared device assignment Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 01/13] memory: Export a helper to get intersection of a MemoryRegionSection with a given range Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-09  2:47   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-09  6:26     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-09  6:45       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-09  7:38         ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-12  3:24   ` Zhao Liu
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 02/13] memory: Change memory_region_set_ram_discard_manager() to return the result Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  9:53   ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-04-08  0:50     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-09  5:35   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-09  5:52     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-25 12:35       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 03/13] memory: Unify the definiton of ReplayRamPopulate() and ReplayRamDiscard() Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-09  5:43   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-09  6:56     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-25 12:44     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-25 12:42   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-27  2:13     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 04/13] memory: Introduce generic state change parent class for RamDiscardManager Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-09  9:56   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-09 12:57     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-10  0:11       ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-10  1:44         ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-16  3:32           ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-17 23:10             ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-18  3:49               ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-25 12:54             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-25 12:49     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-27  1:33       ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 05/13] memory: Introduce PrivateSharedManager Interface as child of GenericStateManager Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-09  9:56   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-10  3:47     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-25 12:57   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-27  1:40     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-29 10:01       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 06/13] vfio: Add the support for PrivateSharedManager Interface Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-09  9:58   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-10  5:53     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 07/13] ram-block-attribute: Introduce RamBlockAttribute to manage RAMBLock with guest_memfd Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-09  9:57   ` Alexey Kardashevskiy
2025-04-10  7:37     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-09  6:41   ` Baolu Lu
2025-05-09  7:55     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-09  8:18       ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2025-05-09 10:37         ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-12  8:07   ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-12  9:43     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-13  8:31       ` Zhao Liu
2025-05-14  1:39         ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 08/13] ram-block-attribute: Introduce a callback to notify shared/private state changes Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 09/13] memory: Attach RamBlockAttribute to guest_memfd-backed RAMBlocks Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 10/13] memory: Change NotifyStateClear() definition to return the result Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-27  2:26   ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-09  2:38     ` Chao Gao
2025-05-09  8:20       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-09  9:19         ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-09  8:22     ` Baolu Lu
2025-05-09 10:04       ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-12  7:54         ` David Hildenbrand
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 11/13] KVM: Introduce CVMPrivateSharedListener for attribute changes during page conversions Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-09  9:03   ` Baolu Lu
2025-05-12  3:18     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 12/13] ram-block-attribute: Add priority listener support for PrivateSharedListener Chenyi Qiang
2025-05-09  9:23   ` Baolu Lu
2025-05-09  9:39     ` Chenyi Qiang
2025-04-07  7:49 ` [PATCH v4 13/13] RAMBlock: Make guest_memfd require coordinate discard Chenyi Qiang

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