Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [patch 2/3] Add support for live block copy

[Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>]

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On Feb 28, 2011 11:47 AM, "Avi Kivity" <avi@redhat.com> wrote:
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> On 02/28/2011 07:33 PM, Anthony Liguori wrote:
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>> > You're just ignoring what I've written.
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>> No, you're just impervious to my subtle attempt to refocus the discussion
on solving a practical problem.
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>> There's a lot of good, reasonably straight forward changes we can make
that have a high return on investment.
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> Is making qemu the authoritative source of configuration information a
straightforward change?  Is the return on it high?  Is the investment low?

I think this is where we fundamentally disagree.  My position is that QEMU
is already the authoritative source.  Having a state file doesn't change
anything.

Do a hot unplug of a network device with upstream libvirt with acpiphp
unloaded, consult libvirt and then consult the monitor to see who has the
right view of the guests config.

To me, that's the definition of authoritative.

> "No" to all three (ignoring for the moment whether it is good or not,
which we were debating).
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>> The only suggestion I'm making beyond Marcelo's original patch is that we
use a structured format and that we make it possible to use the same file to
solve this problem in multiple places.
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> No, you're suggesting a lot more than that.

That's exactly what I'm suggesting from a technical perspective.

>> I don't think this creates a fundamental break in how management tools
interact with QEMU.  I don't think introducing RAID support in the block
layer is a reasonable alternative.
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> Why not?

Because its a lot of complexity and code that can go wrong while only
solving the race for one specific case.  Not to mention that we double the
iop rate.

> Something that avoids the whole state thing altogether:
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> - instead of atomically switching when live copy is done, keep on issuing
writes to both the origin and the live copy
> - issue a notification to management
> - management receives the notification, and issues an atomic blockdev
switch command

> this is really the RAID-1 solution but without the state file (credit
Dor).  An advantage is that there is no additional latency when trying to
catch up to the dirty bitmap.

It still suffers from the two generals problem.  You cannot solve this
without making one node reliable and that takes us back to it being either
QEMU (posted event and state file) or the management tool (sync event).

Regards,

Anthony Liguori

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