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From: "Sebastian Herbszt" <herbszt@gmx.de>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Kevin O'Connor <kevin@koconnor.net>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: POST failure (loop) with isapc and seabios
Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 20:13:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C84F835A5E1449C9A85A06F0D29F660E@FSCPC> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20091127030023.GC6094@shareable.org>

Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Sebastian Herbszt wrote:
>> >We could have qemu do a soft reset (not reload rom) on a triple fault
>> >or keyboard controller reset, and then have SeaBIOS request a hard
>> >reset (have qemu reload rom) if it detects a soft reset that is not a
>> >"resume" request.
>> >
>> >I'm also not sure what qemu does today.
>> 
>> I don't think such an interface would add a long time benefit and
>> would prefer a proper solution which will not tie seabios even more
>> to qemu. One day it might be possible to run a commercial BIOS on
>> qemu, just like it is possible on Bochs.  Adding this interface
>> might prevent that.
> 
> What does a real BIOS on real hardware do?
> 
> Do real BIOSes make a decision as described above, and we're just
> assuming they don't?

A real BIOS gets started, checks CMOS shutdown status byte and decides
whether to POST or resume execution somewhere else.

> One way to answer may be: On a real PC with i440FX, what kind of reset
> are the different reset methods (triple fault, keyboard etc.) normally
> configured to do?

Should be those

power on -> hard reset
CPU shutdown bus cycle -> soft reset
TRC register (BISTE=0, SHRE=0, RCPU=1) -> soft reset
TRC register (BISTE=0, SHRE=1, RCPU=1) -> hard reset
keyboard controller -> soft reset
I/O port 92h -> soft reset
RC register (SRST=0, RCPU=1) -> soft reset
RC register (SRST=1, RCPU=1) -> hard reset

> IIRC, HIMEM.SYS in DOS must use at least one of the
> switch-to-real-mode methods to work, and that driver is needed by
> Windows 3/3.11/95/98/ME, but I'm a bit vague on the details.

The highmem.sys version i got here seems to use CR0 to switch between real and
protected mode. I can't find where/if it loads a hosed IDT.

- Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2009-11-27 19:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-11-19 21:30 [Qemu-devel] POST failure (loop) with isapc and seabios Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-20 22:51 ` [Qemu-devel] " Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-21 14:37   ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 12:35   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 15:07     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 15:10       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 15:31         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 15:38           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 17:40             ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-22 21:15               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-22 22:04               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 11:14                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 11:17               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 20:01             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 11:11               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 19:19                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 19:43                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 21:30                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-24  6:28                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-24 14:38                         ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-24 14:40                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25  6:09                             ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-25 12:20                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25 15:31                                 ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-25 16:42                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25 22:11                                   ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-27  3:00                                     ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-27 19:13                                       ` Sebastian Herbszt [this message]
2009-11-25 22:04                                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-25 22:53                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  6:49                                     ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26  7:15                                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  7:20                                         ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26  7:48                                           ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  7:56                                             ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26  8:12                                               ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  8:19                                                 ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26 16:03                                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26 22:35                                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-27  5:39                                       ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-26  6:45                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-26 20:55                                     ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-27  7:44                                       ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-27 20:42                                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-29  8:20                                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-29 22:53                                             ` Natalia Portillo
2009-11-30  7:12                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-30 20:53                                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2009-11-30 21:02                                                   ` Natalia Portillo
2009-12-01  2:16                                                   ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-30 20:34                                             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-12-01  9:37                                               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-25 21:08                               ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-24 23:27                         ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-25 10:48                           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-22 15:38         ` Kevin O'Connor
2009-11-23 11:16           ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 17:57             ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 18:07               ` Gleb Natapov
2009-11-23 19:12                 ` Sebastian Herbszt
2009-11-23 19:18                   ` Gleb Natapov

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