From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11504C6FD19 for ; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 10:07:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pckUP-0008On-96; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 06:05:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pckUN-0008N2-9q; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 06:05:39 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-x52e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pckUF-0005LP-2S; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 06:05:38 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-x52e.google.com with SMTP id y189so572236pgb.10; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 03:05:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; t=1678961117; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=FFnkWFYm7y2PyhrQIB3ehHNCC0TvVL1qw6UeQ1yz9dg=; b=Sz5qnuf4zglLkh9I0mbAKfQQXjFQ++rAYQL0Rfo/1RwZjhXSlq6ypXTCRO/NuvxFEC Gv0ZqTF9UplIwH52c+0POmWx/y2FH63bfivch6T+F3EFkLqf7KU0SVmB0ffK50G0yxWf JASEckgrqm1nhltfUAe9yzGPzVu+dIZRWC5FHVdevOxEpm5NXgM2s4i3Q59U/ZzTROcN Fklltx0MzPn1mKmuEK8ad5AX/hBPpC0qT0lDw4FsU3BvDcWsGOUTbLuXgGB3/bxDN9ly iKJUlNZH4Vv2Uh9gXOK1bzeVPmroKhKnUuL1miWDBiJelW4ECUaaT98t39JlBX/TgshR bHig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; t=1678961117; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=FFnkWFYm7y2PyhrQIB3ehHNCC0TvVL1qw6UeQ1yz9dg=; b=xFFck031A7Fik7+NxL+6YCaJ7toGl7Aq2t+chGj6iMPnRK56Qn8whd4XGSmiH6olzI Krpx+v2BOWMrts+RAaB1J0XZw5oZwoJ/EO0Cy0+Aylz+odLgnXbOa2NlMdRtB9970eob pY8B0u1lzox6vqbGyKSswS+sj7Wjana2rV+EITC1qxEFa3bJjyCwBkKNq+0VTKYdS64/ NO0QNMh2GOm/Frp/ENsKWNKoy36eX4GQj7OLqGaPKecmgN+j5kVCmq1rPtO1k2pBnxGo ldulWqYRZG/NvIDwlIO/3f8060+nlqHKf0BLmT83aYt7wQbTushd2LWaZ2ZjK4Xg8fpb MPXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKW2SM8Ryq7WAyspVCDomIIo/r4u0THizhJWn8CaCVNXAEL7t6QK HpezrxuN7m5NYwtQ7X5s7SQfqkQ8B1gA1x4mWk4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+rlsfNGEJsF7bv1ab+UELDf5DyikNP/5gYk05nWOiCne1IvgWQYYh0YafRI85sZc++VA9CPI+YgX2KlK14n04= X-Received: by 2002:a65:6452:0:b0:503:7bcd:89e9 with SMTP id s18-20020a656452000000b005037bcd89e9mr700466pgv.1.1678961117377; Thu, 16 Mar 2023 03:05:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <632e7256-34f5-ca87-ff60-a5c11aa1dd7f@redhat.com> <878rfxuiau.fsf@pond.sub.org> In-Reply-To: <878rfxuiau.fsf@pond.sub.org> From: Andrew Randrianasulu Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2023 13:05:04 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: dropping 32-bit host support To: Markus Armbruster Cc: Thomas Huth , =?UTF-8?Q?Philippe_Mathieu=2DDaud=C3=A9?= , qemu-discuss@nongnu.org, QEMU Developers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fe3ac005f701982a" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::52e; envelope-from=randrianasulu@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-x52e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org --000000000000fe3ac005f701982a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =D1=87=D1=82, 16 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80. 2023 =D0=B3., 13:01 Markus Armbruster = : > Thomas Huth writes: > > [...] > > > The problem is really that we don't have unlimited resources in the > > QEMU project. Currently we're heavily struggling with the load in the > > CI, but also pure man power is always very scarce. So at one point in > > time, you have to decide to say good bye to some old and hardly used > > features - at least to stop testing and actively supporting it. If you > > want to continue testing and fixing bugs for such host systems, that's > > fine, of course, but don't expect the QEMU developers to do that job > > in the future. > > This. > > We're out of free lunch. We're glad you enjoyed it while it lasted. > > If you want more lunch, you need to join the kitchen. Here are a few > things we need to keep a host or target supported: > > * Competent maintainer(s) to relieve the ones who have maintained this > for you so far > > * CI runners to conserve scarce CI minutes (or the money to buy more) > > * Trustworthy system administrator(s) to set them up and keep them > running. > * Four - different developer culture, like, a bit fewer commits to run CI with ? :) > --000000000000fe3ac005f701982a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


=D1=87=D1=82, 16 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80. 2023 =D0=B3., 13:= 01 Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat= .com>:
Thomas Huth <thuth@r= edhat.com> writes:

[...]

> The problem is really that we don't have unlimited resources in th= e
> QEMU project. Currently we're heavily struggling with the load in = the
> CI, but also pure man power is always very scarce. So at one point in<= br> > time, you have to decide to say good bye to some old and hardly used > features - at least to stop testing and actively supporting it. If you=
> want to continue testing and fixing bugs for such host systems, that&#= 39;s
> fine, of course, but don't expect the QEMU developers to do that j= ob
> in the future.

This.

We're out of free lunch.=C2=A0 We're glad you enjoyed it while it l= asted.

If you want more lunch, you need to join the kitchen.=C2=A0 Here are a few<= br> things we need to keep a host or target supported:

* Competent maintainer(s) to relieve the ones who have maintained this
=C2=A0 for you so far

* CI runners to conserve scarce CI minutes (or the money to buy more)

* Trustworthy system administrator(s) to set them up and keep them
=C2=A0 running.


* Four - different developer cul= ture, like, a bit fewer commits to run CI with ? :)
=


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