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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
Cc: Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] i386/sev: Don't allow automatic fallback to legacy KVM_SEV*_INIT
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2024 11:53:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABgObfZwmvpHE-cadR1yu_a4pftid9=N7X50HBfeCYokLge6-g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZoZtxUPdDmnFaya6@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 11:39 AM Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> wrote:
> > The debug_swap parameter simply could not be enabled in the old API
> > without breaking measurements. The new API *is the fix* to allow using
> > it (though QEMU doesn't have the option plumbed in yet). There is no
> > extensibility.
> >
> > Enabling debug_swap by default is also a thorny problem; it cannot be
> > enabled by default because not all CPUs support it, and also we'd have
> > the same problem that we cannot enable debug_swap on new machine types
> > without requiring a new kernel. Tying the default to the -cpu model
> > would work but it is confusing.
>
> Presumably we can tie it to '-cpu host' without much problem, and
> then just leave it as an opt-in feature flag for named CPU models.

'-cpu host' for SEV-SNP is also problematic, since CPUID is part of
the measurement. It's okay for starting guests in a quick and dirty
manner, but it cannot be used if measurement is in use.

It's weird to have "-cpu" provide the default for "-object", since
-object is created much earlier than CPUs. But then "-cpu" itself is
weird because it's a kind of "factory" for future objects. Maybe we
should redo the same exercise I did to streamline machine
initialization, this time focusing on -cpu/-machine/-accel, to
understand the various phases and where sev-{,snp-}guest
initialization fits.

> > I think it's reasonable if the fix is displayed right into the error
> > message. It's only needed for SEV-ES though, SEV can use the old and
> > new APIs interchangeably.
>
> FYI currently it is proposed to unconditionally force set legacy-vm-type=true
> in libvirt, so QEMU guests would *never* use the new ioctl, to fix what we
> consider to be a QEMU / kernel guest ABI regression.

Ok, so it's probably best to apply both this and your patch for now.
Later debug-swap can be enabled and will automatically disable
legacy-vm-type if the user left it to the default.

If you want to test this combo and send a pull request (either to me
or to Richard), that would help because I'm mostly away for a few
days.

Paolo



  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-04  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-04  0:00 [PATCH] i386/sev: Don't allow automatic fallback to legacy KVM_SEV*_INIT Michael Roth
2024-07-04  6:51 ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-04  8:42   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-07-04  9:31     ` Paolo Bonzini
2024-07-04  9:39       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-07-04  9:53         ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2024-07-10  4:03           ` Michael Roth
2024-07-10  7:16             ` Daniel P. Berrangé

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