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From: Will Drewry <wad@chromium.org>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: Corey Bryant <coreyb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Paul Moore <pmoore@redhat.com>,
	Anthony Liguori <anthony@codemonkey.ws>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Eduardo Otubo <otubo@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.7] seccomp: setting "-sandbox on" by default
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 10:12:00 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABqD9hacjUPCuitDMRx+rU_pSK0i-tT3hGYcwc2nsduvYZLqhA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131205131501.GB6385@stefanha-thinkpad.redhat.com>

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 11:21:12AM -0200, Eduardo Otubo wrote:
>> On 12/04/2013 07:39 AM, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
>> >On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:00:24AM -0500, Paul Moore wrote:
>> >>>Developers will only be happy with seccomp if it's easy and rewarding to
>> >>>support/debug.
>> >>
>> >>Agreed.
>> >>
>> >>As a developer, how do you feel about the audit/syslog based approach I
>> >>mentioned earlier?
>> >
>> >I used the commands you posted (I think that's what you mean).  They
>> >produce useful output.
>> >
>> >The problem is that without an error message on stderr or from the
>> >shell, no one will think "QEMU process dead and hung == check seccomp"
>> >immediately.  It's frustrating to deal with a "silent" failure.
>>
>> The process dies with a SIGKILL, and sig handling in Qemu is hard to
>> implement due to dozen of external linked libraries that has their
>> own signal masks and conflicts with seccomp. I've already tried this
>> approach in the past (you can find in the list by searching for
>> debug mode)
>
> I now realize we may be talking past each other.  Dying with
> SIGKILL/SIGSYS is perfectly reasonable and I would be happy with that
> :-).
>
> But I think there's a bug in seccomp: a multi-threaded process can be
> left in a zombie state.  In my case the primary thread was killed by
> seccomp but another thread was deadlocked on a futex.
>
> The result is the process isn't quite dead yet.  The shell will not reap
> it and we're stuck with a zombie.
>
> I can reproduce it reliably when I run "qemu-system-x86_64 -sandbox on"
> on Fedora 20 (qemu-system-x86-1.6.1-2).
>
> Should seccomp use do_group_exit() for SIGKILL?

Is the problem that the SECCOMP_RET_KILL didn't take down the thread
group (which would be a departure from how seccomp(mode=1) worked) and
causes the deadlock somehow, or is it that the other thread is
deadlocked?

Regardless, adding a SECCOMP_RET_TGKILL probably isn't a bad idea :)

cheers!
will

  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-05 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-22 11:21 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH for-1.7] seccomp: setting "-sandbox on" by default Eduardo Otubo
2013-10-22 13:00 ` Anthony Liguori
2013-10-23 14:42   ` Eduardo Otubo
2013-10-30 10:04     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-11-21 15:14       ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-11-21 15:48         ` Paul Moore
2013-11-21 16:22           ` Eduardo Otubo
2013-11-22 10:39           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-11-22 14:44             ` Paul Moore
2013-11-22 15:48               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-11-22 16:00                 ` Paul Moore
2013-12-04  9:39                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-12-04 13:21                     ` Eduardo Otubo
2013-12-04 14:46                       ` Corey Bryant
2013-12-05 13:15                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-12-05 16:12                         ` Will Drewry [this message]
2013-12-06  9:13                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-12-06 15:40                             ` Will Drewry
2013-12-07  8:13                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-11-22 10:34       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2013-11-22 14:38         ` Paul Moore
2013-12-04 13:17           ` Eduardo Otubo

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