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From: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert" <dave@treblig.org>,
	"Mark Cave-Ayland" <mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk>,
	"Daniel P . Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	qemu-ppc@nongnu.org, "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <eduardo@habkost.net>
Subject: Re: Examining device state via monitor for debugging (was: [PATCH 0/2] hw/misc/mos6522: Do not open-code hmp_info_human_readable_text())
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2024 09:30:47 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA8F9fTVuTwNosLi7qcZ7ki-kARKJsnrp3-er41LbkpZiA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h6e0uizr.fsf@pond.sub.org>

On Tue, 11 Jun 2024 at 06:50, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <philmd@linaro.org> writes:
>
> > Officialise the QMP command, use the existing
> > hmp_info_human_readable_text() helper.
>
> I'm not sure "officialise" is a word :)
>
> Taking a step back...  "info via" and its new QMP counterpart
> x-query-mos6522-devices dump device state.  I understand why examining
> device state via monitor can be useful for debugging.  However, we have
> more than 2000 devices in the tree.  Clearly, we don't want 2000 device
> state queries.  Not even 100.  Could we have more generic means instead?
>
> We could use QOM (read-only) properties to expose device state.
>
> If we use one QOM property per "thing", examining device state becomes
> quite tedious.  Also, you'd have to stop the guest to get a consistent
> view, and adding lots of QOM properties bloats the code.
>
> If we use a single, object-valued property for the entire state, we get
> to define the objects in QAPI.  Differently tedious, and bloats the
> generated code.

We already have a machine readable mandatory-for-every-device
representation of its entire state -- it's the vmstate struct.
Admittedly this is sometimes a bit different from the guest-facing
view of a device and we don't machine-record the field names...

-- PMM


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-11  8:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-10 15:07 [PATCH 0/2] hw/misc/mos6522: Do not open-code hmp_info_human_readable_text() Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-06-10 15:07 ` [PATCH 1/2] hw/misc/mos6522: Expose x-query-mos6522-devices QMP command Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-06-10 17:08   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11  5:36   ` Markus Armbruster
2024-06-10 15:07 ` [PATCH 2/2] hw/misc/mos6522: Do not open-code hmp_info_human_readable_text() Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2024-06-10 17:09   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11  5:49 ` Examining device state via monitor for debugging (was: [PATCH 0/2] hw/misc/mos6522: Do not open-code hmp_info_human_readable_text()) Markus Armbruster
2024-06-11  6:09   ` Examining device state via monitor for debugging Mark Cave-Ayland
2024-06-11  6:58     ` Manos Pitsidianakis
2024-06-11  8:06       ` Mark Cave-Ayland
2024-06-11  7:57   ` Examining device state via monitor for debugging (was: [PATCH 0/2] hw/misc/mos6522: Do not open-code hmp_info_human_readable_text()) Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11  8:13     ` Examining device state via monitor for debugging Mark Cave-Ayland
2024-06-11  8:46       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2024-06-11  8:30   ` Peter Maydell [this message]
2024-06-11 12:23     ` Examining device state via monitor for debugging (was: [PATCH 0/2] hw/misc/mos6522: Do not open-code hmp_info_human_readable_text()) Dr. David Alan Gilbert

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