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From: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: "Akihiko Odaki" <odaki@rsg.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] memory: Stop piggybacking on memory region owners
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2025 10:09:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA8qdWtdX0Xc0WAuT9eZsXbudV2g2=Da8pK6tEfytdMbpw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aNWgnBV-9p6UnsYT@x1.local>

On Thu, 25 Sept 2025 at 21:06, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 10:03:45AM +0100, Peter Maydell wrote:
> > On Wed, 24 Sept 2025 at 22:14, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > Side note: when I was trying to test hotplugs with i386/q35, unfortunately
> > > I didn't really see when the address space was destroyed, maybe there's a
> > > bug somewhere; I put that info into appendix at the end.
> >
> > This is https://gitlab.com/qemu-project/qemu/-/issues/2517
> >
> > I got blocked on that because I ran into a weird "I have some
> > memory that needs to be freed by the RCU callback, but only
> > after the callback has freed some other RCU stuff". I see
> > Paolo made a reply on that bug -- I would need to get back
> > to it and reproduce whatever it was I was doing.
>
> Thanks for the link, right that looks exactly like what I hit.
>
> I am curious if FIFO is guaranteed for RCU in general, or it is an impl
> detail only specific to QEMU.
>
> The other thing is I feel like it should be OK to reorder callbacks, if all
> the call_rcu() users can make sure the rcu-freed object is completely
> detached from the rest world, e.g. resetting all relevant pointers to NULL.
> With that, it seems the order won't matter too, because nobody will be able
> to reference the internal object anyway, so the two objects (after reseting
> all referers to NULL pointer of the inner object) are completely standalone.

The specific ordering problem for cpu_address_space is that
there's a g_new allocated array of memory which contains
the AddressSpace objects (not pointers to them). The ASes need
to be RCU-deallocated first so they can clean up their internal
data structures; only once that has happened can we free the
memory that holds the AddressSpace structs themselves.

-- PMM


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-26  9:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-06  2:39 [PATCH v2 0/3] memory: Stop piggybacking on memory region owners Akihiko Odaki
2025-09-06  2:39 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] qom: Do not finalize twice Akihiko Odaki
2025-09-23  9:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-09-06  2:39 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] virtio-gpu-virgl: Add virtio-gpu-virgl-hostmem-region type Akihiko Odaki
2025-09-06  2:39 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] memory: Stop piggybacking on memory region owners Akihiko Odaki
2025-09-10 21:45   ` Peter Xu
2025-09-11  3:40     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-09-11 22:26       ` Peter Xu
2025-09-18 12:04         ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-09-24 21:14           ` Peter Xu
2025-09-25  9:03             ` Peter Maydell
2025-09-25 20:05               ` Peter Xu
2025-09-26  9:09                 ` Peter Maydell [this message]
2025-09-26 15:16                   ` Peter Xu
2025-09-26 15:59                     ` Peter Maydell
2025-09-26 16:56                       ` Peter Maydell
2025-09-26 17:10                         ` Peter Xu
2025-09-29 12:45                     ` Peter Maydell
2025-09-29 14:37                       ` Peter Xu
2025-09-29 14:43                         ` Peter Maydell
2025-09-23  8:41   ` Paolo Bonzini

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