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From: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
To: Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>
Cc: Bug 893208 <893208@bugs.launchpad.net>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Dr. David Alan Gilbert (git)" <dgilbert@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Bug 893208] Re: qemu on ARM hosts can't boot i386 image
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:37:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA_2erpZnuBZZwko5Lekruszi3Jv-VpMH8Wd4oA6T8Y_wg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56001E68.10909@redhat.com>

On 21 September 2015 at 08:12, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com> wrote:
> Where does the division by zero come from then? Well grub fetches and
> stashes the TSC, then programs the PIT to sleep for some time, then
> re-fetches the TSC, and uses the TSC difference as denominator when
> calculating the "TSC rate". (It has a solid idea of the real time
> passed, due to the PIT frequency being a given.)

I was wondering rereading the bug report whether this was down
to our lousy RDTSC implementation...thanks for digging in and
confirming what's going on.

> Now, the cpu_get_real_ticks() implementation is *host* specific. You can
> find it implemented for a bunch of host architectures in
> "include/qemu/timer.h".

> I applied the following extremely sophisticated patch (with the motto
> "it cannot get more wronger"):
>
>> diff --git a/include/qemu/timer.h b/include/qemu/timer.h
>> index 9939246..def22de 100644
>> --- a/include/qemu/timer.h
>> +++ b/include/qemu/timer.h
>> @@ -1003,8 +1003,7 @@ static inline int64_t cpu_get_real_ticks(void)
>>     totally wrong, but hopefully better than nothing.  */
>>  static inline int64_t cpu_get_real_ticks (void)
>>  {
>> -    static int64_t ticks = 0;
>> -    return ticks++;
>> +    return get_clock();
>>  }
>>  #endif
>>
>
> get_clock() is CLOCK_MONOTONIC based, has (theoretical) nanosecond
> resolution, and a nice flat int64_t encoding that should suffice for
> approx. 329 years. This should provide grub with a larger denominator.
>
> This "fix" allowed me to boot the i386 Debian image on the AARCH64 host.
>
> For a real fix... I think on AARCH64 hosts at least, a "real" cycle
> counter should be available, and someone who knows AARCH64 could write a
> function that fetches it.
>
> For 32-bit ARM, I presume the Raspberry Pi 2 and the Odroid C1 are
> advanced enough for a similar cycle counter reading function.

There isn't a user-space readable cycle counter on ARM.
(There is a counter which might be accessible to userspace
depending on kernel config, but the kernel doesn't guarantee
its availability as an ABI thing.)

Probably we should figure out a sane way to emulate guest
cycle counters that isn't dependent on the host CPU architecture.
I think having QEMU's behaviour as seen by the guest vary like
this is a recipe for confusion.

thanks
-- PMM

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-21 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20111121171820.16487.92704.malonedeb@chaenomeles.canonical.com>
2011-12-10 13:40 ` [Qemu-devel] [Bug 893208] Re: qemu on ARM hosts can't boot i386 image Peter Maydell
2012-01-05  0:58 ` Michael Hope
2012-01-12 10:14 ` Peter Maydell
2015-09-16 23:12 ` PeteVine
2015-09-17  1:23 ` PeteVine
2015-09-19 10:54 ` Marina Kovalevna
2015-09-21 15:12   ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-09-21 15:37     ` Peter Maydell [this message]
2015-09-21 15:50       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-09-21 17:12         ` Laszlo Ersek
2015-09-22  2:02     ` Marina Kovalevna
2015-09-21 17:43 ` PeteVine
2015-09-21 18:01 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2015-09-29 11:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-10-14  1:27 ` PeteVine
2015-11-07 20:31 ` PeteVine
2015-11-08 18:20 ` Marina Kovalevna
2015-12-21 18:45 ` PeteVine
2016-01-12 21:58 ` pranith
2016-02-28  1:12 ` Zack Callendish
2016-02-28 15:22 ` Peter Maydell
2016-02-29 15:23 ` Zack Callendish
2016-02-29 16:24 ` Peter Maydell
2016-03-11  9:15 ` PeteVine
2016-03-18 20:56   ` [Qemu-devel] [RFC] Use cpu_get_icount as cpu_get_host_ticks fallback Christopher Covington
2016-03-19 10:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [Bug 893208] Re: qemu on ARM hosts can't boot i386 image PeteVine
2016-03-19 14:24 ` PeteVine
2017-06-13 17:23 ` Thomas Huth
2017-06-13 22:17 ` PeteVine
2017-08-30 20:08 ` Thomas Huth
2020-08-12 12:35 ` Laszlo Ersek (Red Hat)

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