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From: Peter Maydell <peter.maydell@linaro.org>
To: "Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@redhat.com>
Cc: "Corey Minyard" <cminyard@mvista.com>,
	"Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Jason Wang" <jasowang@redhat.com>,
	"Mark Cave-Ayland" <mark.cave-ayland@ilande.co.uk>,
	qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"KONRAD Frederic" <frederic.konrad@adacore.com>,
	"Edgar E. Iglesias" <edgar.iglesias@gmail.com>,
	"Paul Burton" <pburton@wavecomp.com>,
	"Aleksandar Rikalo" <arikalo@wavecomp.com>,
	"Magnus Damm" <magnus.damm@gmail.com>,
	"Hervé Poussineau" <hpoussin@reactos.org>,
	"Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>,
	"Artyom Tarasenko" <atar4qemu@gmail.com>,
	"Eduardo Habkost" <ehabkost@redhat.com>,
	"Fabien Chouteau" <chouteau@adacore.com>,
	qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
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	qemu-ppc <qemu-ppc@nongnu.org>,
	"Aleksandar Markovic" <amarkovic@wavecomp.com>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Aurelien Jarno" <aurelien@aurel32.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 21/33] lance: replace PROP_PTR with PROP_LINK
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 12:52:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFEAcA_A4edo3fQBJux6QBxkCf_r_EdrmYgv5OPidWDdn4aD8g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2b9352d7-f4de-bd5c-62c5-cebec79e1c48@redhat.com>

On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 12:48, Philippe Mathieu-Daudé <philmd@redhat.com> wrote:
> Just wondering, if we had a "bus_address" property to the abstract
> SysBus class (and eventually "bus_name" for later) we could create/map
> sysbus devices from command line?

I don't think this is a good plan -- users shouldn't have to know
about the memory map of their boards. Plus it doesn't deal with
the complications of multiple address spaces, DMA, wiring up
irq lines to an interrupt controller, SoC reset handling,
clocks, power-managment...  Command line -device was designed
for pluggable devices, where in the world of real hardware
the device can be physically plugged and unplugged and there's
a clear interface that can be modelled. You can't add an
extra UART to an embedded board in real hardware either.

The only plausible argument I've seen for command-line
plugging of embedded devices is as a sort of side-effect
of having a configuration language syntax for them for
the purpose of being able to write board models as
data-driven config files rather than in C code. But
that would be a lot of design and engineering work, and
if we want that I think we should approach it forwards,
not arrive at it backwards by adding gradual tweaks like
'address' properties to devices.

thanks
-- PMM


  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-24 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-23 17:31 [PATCH v3 00/33] Clean-ups: qom-ify serial and remove QDEV_PROP_PTR Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 01/33] qdev: remove unused qdev_prop_int64 Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 14:01   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20  3:36     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 02/33] sysbus: remove unused sysbus_try_create* Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 22:35   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-11-18 14:02   ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 03/33] sysbus: remove outdated comment Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 22:36   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 04/33] chardev: generate an internal id when none given Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 14:12   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-18 18:54     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 05/33] serial-pci-multi: factor out multi_serial_get_nr_ports Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 22:41   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-24  9:59     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 06/33] serial: initial qom-ification Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-24  8:48   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 07/33] serial: register vmsd with DeviceClass Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 14:21   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-19 10:22     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-19 10:33       ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-19 11:57         ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-20 18:54           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-11-21  6:49             ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 08/33] serial: add "chardev" property Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 22:39   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-11-18 14:23   ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 09/33] serial: add "baudbase" property Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 22:40   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-11-18 14:26   ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 10/33] serial: add "instance-id" property Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 14:29   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-19 10:32     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-20  9:06   ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 11/33] serial: realize the serial device Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 12/33] serial: replace serial_exit_core() with unrealize Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 14:32   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20 12:32   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 13/33] serial: start making SerialMM a sysbus device Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 14:43   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20  7:34     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-20 10:36       ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20 10:40         ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-20 10:58           ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20 11:03             ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 14/33] serial-mm: add "regshift" property Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 14:54   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20  7:53     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-20 10:43       ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 15/33] serial-mm: add endianness property Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 15:02   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-18 15:07   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20  7:59     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-20 12:57   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 16/33] serial-mm: use sysbus facilities Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 15:09   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20  8:30     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-20 10:46       ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 17/33] serial: make SerialIO a sysbus device Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 15:16   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20  8:41     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 18/33] mips: inline serial_init Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 15:24   ` Peter Maydell
2019-11-20 11:14     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-20  0:07   ` Aleksandar Markovic
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 19/33] sm501: make SerialMM a child, export chardev property Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 22:57   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-24 10:28     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 20/33] vmmouse: replace PROP_PTR with PROP_LINK Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 22:59   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 21/33] lance: " Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 23:00   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-24 11:09     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-24 11:47       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-24 11:52         ` Peter Maydell [this message]
2019-10-24 18:07           ` Eduardo Habkost
2019-10-25  7:31             ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-24 12:25         ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 22/33] etraxfs: remove PROP_PTR usage Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 15:28   ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 23/33] dp8393x: replace PROP_PTR with PROP_LINK Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 23:02   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-24 11:12     ` Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-24 11:48       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 24/33] leon3: use qemu_irq framework instead of callback as property Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 14:15   ` KONRAD Frederic
2019-11-18 15:34   ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 25/33] sparc: move PIL irq handling to cpu.c Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 15:38   ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 26/33] RFC: mips/cps: fix setting saar property Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 27/33] cris: improve passing PIC interrupt vector to the CPU Marc-André Lureau
2019-11-18 15:40   ` Peter Maydell
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 28/33] smbus-eeprom: remove PROP_PTR Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 29/33] omap-intc: " Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 30/33] omap-i2c: " Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 31/33] omap-gpio: " Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 32/33] qdev: remove PROP_MEMORY_REGION Marc-André Lureau
2019-10-23 23:07   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2019-10-23 17:31 ` [PATCH v3 33/33] qdev: remove QDEV_PROP_PTR Marc-André Lureau

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