From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>,
German Maglione <gmaglione@redhat.com>,
Liu Jiang <gerry@linux.alibaba.com>,
Sergio Lopez Pascual <slp@redhat.com>,
Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] vhost-user: call VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE synchronously
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2023 09:08:15 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJSP0QWTRc6Ai+bM9_UwrpgXXmgvN=rMD248nqoGv0PiOd_2Sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231002183627-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>
On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 at 08:27, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 02, 2023 at 05:13:26PM -0400, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > One more question:
> >
> > Why is the disabled state not needed by regular (non-vhost) virtio-net devices?
>
> Tap does the same - it purges queued packets:
>
> int tap_disable(NetClientState *nc)
> {
> TAPState *s = DO_UPCAST(TAPState, nc, nc);
> int ret;
>
> if (s->enabled == 0) {
> return 0;
> } else {
> ret = tap_fd_disable(s->fd);
> if (ret == 0) {
> qemu_purge_queued_packets(nc);
> s->enabled = false;
> tap_update_fd_handler(s);
> }
> return ret;
> }
> }
tap_disable() is not equivalent to the vhost-user "started but
disabled" ring state. tap_disable() is a synchronous one-time action,
while "started but disabled" is a continuous state.
The "started but disabled" ring state isn't needed to achieve this.
The back-end can just drop tx buffers upon receiving
VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE .num=0.
The history of the spec is curious. VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE was
introduced before the the "started but disabled" state was defined,
and it explicitly mentions tap attach/detach:
commit 7263a0ad7899994b719ebed736a1119cc2e08110
Author: Changchun Ouyang <changchun.ouyang@intel.com>
Date: Wed Sep 23 12:20:01 2015 +0800
vhost-user: add a new message to disable/enable a specific virt queue.
Add a new message, VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE, to enable or disable
a specific virt queue, which is similar to attach/detach queue for
tap device.
and then later:
commit c61f09ed855b5009f816242ce281fd01586d4646
Author: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
Date: Mon Nov 23 12:48:52 2015 +0200
vhost-user: clarify start and enable
>
> what about non tap backends? I suspect they just aren't
> used widely with multiqueue so no one noticed.
I still don't understand why "started but disabled" is needed instead
of just two ring states: enabled and disabled.
It seems like the cleanest path going forward is to keep the "ignore
rx, discard tx" semantics for virtio-net devices but to clarify in the
spec that other device types do not process the ring:
"
* started but disabled: the back-end must not process the ring. For legacy
reasons there is an exception for the networking device, where the
back-end must process and discard any TX packets and not process
other rings.
"
What do you think?
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-03 13:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-27 18:29 [PATCH 0/7] vhost-user: call VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE synchronously Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 1/7] vhost-user: strip superfluous whitespace Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 8:26 ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 15:04 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 2/7] vhost-user: tighten "reply_supported" scope in "set_vring_addr" Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 8:27 ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 15:04 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 3/7] vhost-user: factor out "vhost_user_write_msg" Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-28 22:46 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-30 8:31 ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 9:14 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 9:54 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 4/7] vhost-user: flatten "enforce_reply" into "vhost_user_write_msg" Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-28 22:47 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-30 8:31 ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 5/7] vhost-user: hoist "write_msg", "get_features", "get_u64" Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 8:32 ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 15:04 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 6/7] vhost-user: allow "vhost_set_vring" to wait for a reply Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-28 22:49 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-30 8:32 ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 7/7] vhost-user: call VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE synchronously Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 8:39 ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 9:26 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 14:24 ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 8:41 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 8:59 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 9:04 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 12:10 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-08-30 13:30 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 15:37 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-09-05 6:30 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-09-25 15:31 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-01 19:24 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-01 19:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 1:56 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-02 6:57 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 14:02 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-02 6:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 21:12 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-02 21:13 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-03 12:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 13:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2023-10-03 13:23 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-03 14:25 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 14:28 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-03 14:40 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 15:45 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-02 22:36 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 0:17 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-03 14:28 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 14:41 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 15:55 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 10:15 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-04 16:30 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-04 10:17 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 8:48 ` [PATCH 0/7] " Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 9:32 ` Laszlo Ersek
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