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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Laszlo Ersek <lersek@redhat.com>,
	 Eugenio Perez Martin <eperezma@redhat.com>,
	German Maglione <gmaglione@redhat.com>,
	 Liu Jiang <gerry@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Sergio Lopez Pascual <slp@redhat.com>,
	 Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>,
	Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 7/7] vhost-user: call VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE synchronously
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2023 09:08:15 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJSP0QWTRc6Ai+bM9_UwrpgXXmgvN=rMD248nqoGv0PiOd_2Sg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231002183627-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org>

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 at 08:27, Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Oct 02, 2023 at 05:13:26PM -0400, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> > One more question:
> >
> > Why is the disabled state not needed by regular (non-vhost) virtio-net devices?
>
> Tap does the same - it purges queued packets:
>
> int tap_disable(NetClientState *nc)
> {
>     TAPState *s = DO_UPCAST(TAPState, nc, nc);
>     int ret;
>
>     if (s->enabled == 0) {
>         return 0;
>     } else {
>         ret = tap_fd_disable(s->fd);
>         if (ret == 0) {
>             qemu_purge_queued_packets(nc);
>             s->enabled = false;
>             tap_update_fd_handler(s);
>         }
>         return ret;
>     }
> }

tap_disable() is not equivalent to the vhost-user "started but
disabled" ring state. tap_disable() is a synchronous one-time action,
while "started but disabled" is a continuous state.

The "started but disabled" ring state isn't needed to achieve this.
The back-end can just drop tx buffers upon receiving
VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE .num=0.

The history of the spec is curious. VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE was
introduced before the the "started but disabled" state was defined,
and it explicitly mentions tap attach/detach:

commit 7263a0ad7899994b719ebed736a1119cc2e08110
Author: Changchun Ouyang <changchun.ouyang@intel.com>
Date:   Wed Sep 23 12:20:01 2015 +0800

    vhost-user: add a new message to disable/enable a specific virt queue.

    Add a new message, VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE, to enable or disable
    a specific virt queue, which is similar to attach/detach queue for
    tap device.

and then later:

commit c61f09ed855b5009f816242ce281fd01586d4646
Author: Michael S. Tsirkin <mst@redhat.com>
Date:   Mon Nov 23 12:48:52 2015 +0200

    vhost-user: clarify start and enable

>
> what about non tap backends? I suspect they just aren't
> used widely with multiqueue so no one noticed.

I still don't understand why "started but disabled" is needed instead
of just two ring states: enabled and disabled.

It seems like the cleanest path going forward is to keep the "ignore
rx, discard tx" semantics for virtio-net devices but to clarify in the
spec that other device types do not process the ring:

"
* started but disabled: the back-end must not process the ring. For legacy
  reasons there is an exception for the networking device, where the
  back-end must process and discard any TX packets and not process
  other rings.
"

What do you think?

Stefan


  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-03 13:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-27 18:29 [PATCH 0/7] vhost-user: call VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE synchronously Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 1/7] vhost-user: strip superfluous whitespace Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30  8:26   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 15:04   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 2/7] vhost-user: tighten "reply_supported" scope in "set_vring_addr" Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30  8:27   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 15:04   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 3/7] vhost-user: factor out "vhost_user_write_msg" Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-28 22:46   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-30  8:31   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30  9:14     ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30  9:54       ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 4/7] vhost-user: flatten "enforce_reply" into "vhost_user_write_msg" Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-28 22:47   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-30  8:31   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 5/7] vhost-user: hoist "write_msg", "get_features", "get_u64" Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30  8:32   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30 15:04   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 6/7] vhost-user: allow "vhost_set_vring" to wait for a reply Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-28 22:49   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-08-30  8:32   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-27 18:29 ` [PATCH 7/7] vhost-user: call VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE synchronously Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30  8:39   ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30  9:26     ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 14:24       ` Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30  8:41   ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30  8:59     ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30  9:04       ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 12:10   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-08-30 13:30     ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30 15:37       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-09-05  6:30         ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-09-25 15:31           ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-01 19:24             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-01 19:25               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02  1:56                 ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-02  6:57                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 14:02                     ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-02  6:49         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-02 21:12           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-02 21:13             ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-03 12:26               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 13:08                 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2023-10-03 13:23                   ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-03 14:25                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 14:28                       ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-03 14:40                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 15:45                     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-02 22:36             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03  0:17               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-03 14:28                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 14:41   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-03 15:55     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2023-10-04 10:15       ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-10-04 16:30         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-10-04 10:17       ` Laszlo Ersek
2023-08-30  8:48 ` [PATCH 0/7] " Stefano Garzarella
2023-08-30  9:32   ` Laszlo Ersek

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