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From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: Out-of-Process Device Emulation session at KVM Forum 2020
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:08:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJSP0QWrmNN1Ci-M-4WDFZBOGHyeZvF71utg0w2ajCbOLtynJw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201027151400.GA138065@stefanha-x1.localdomain>

Here are notes from the session:

protocol stability:
    * vhost-user already exists for existing third-party applications
    * vfio-user is more general but will take more time to develop
    * libvfio-user can be provided to allow device implementations

management:
    * Should QEMU launch device emulation processes?
        * Nicer user experience
        * Technical blockers: forking, hotplug, security is hard once
QEMU has started running
        * Probably requires a new process model with a long-running
QEMU management process proxying QMP requests to the emulator process

migration:
    * dbus-vmstate
    * VFIO live migration ioctls
        * Source device can continue if migration fails
        * Opaque blobs are transferred to destination, destination can
fail migration if it decides the blobs are incompatible
        * How does the VMM share the migration data region with the
device emulation process?
            * The vfio-user protocol can trap or mmap
    * device versioning (like versioned machine types) needed to pin
the guest-visible device ABI
    * Felipe will investigate live migration

reconnection:
    * How to support reconnection?
        * QEMU has relatively little state of a vfio-user device
        * vhost-user has more state so it's a little easier to
reconnect or migrate
    * Build in reconnection and live migration from the start to avoid
difficulties in the future
    * Relationship between migration and reconnection?
        * VFIO has a mechanism for saving/loading device state
        * Lots of different reconnection cases that need to be thought through

security & sandboxing:
    * Goal: make it easy to lock down the process so developers don't
need to reinvent sandboxing
    * minijail
        * in-process
    * firecracker jailer
    * bubblewrap
        * launcher tool
    * systemd-run
        * launcher tool


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-10-29 12:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-27 15:14 Out-of-Process Device Emulation session at KVM Forum 2020 Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-28  9:32 ` Thanos Makatos
2020-10-28 10:07   ` Thanos Makatos
2020-10-28 11:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-10-29  8:21 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-29 12:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2020-10-29 13:02   ` Jason Wang
2020-10-29 13:06     ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-29 14:08     ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-29 14:31     ` Alex Williamson
2020-10-29 15:09       ` Jason Wang
2020-10-29 15:46         ` Alex Williamson
2020-10-29 16:10           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-30  1:11           ` Jason Wang
2020-10-30  3:04             ` Alex Williamson
2020-10-30  6:21               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-30  9:45                 ` Jason Wang
2020-10-30 11:13                   ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-30 12:07                     ` Jason Wang
2020-10-30 13:15                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-02  2:51                         ` Jason Wang
2020-11-02 10:13                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-03  7:52                             ` Jason Wang
2020-11-03 14:26                               ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-04  6:50                                 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-11-04  7:42                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-10-31 21:49                     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-11-01  8:26                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-02  2:54                         ` Jason Wang
2020-11-02  3:00                     ` Jason Wang
2020-11-02 10:27                       ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-02 10:34                         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-11-02 14:59                           ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-30  7:51               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-10-30  9:31               ` Jason Wang
2020-10-29 16:15     ` David Edmondson
2020-10-29 16:42       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-10-29 17:47         ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-10-29 18:07           ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-30  1:15             ` Jason Wang

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