From: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: Out-of-Process Device Emulation session at KVM Forum 2020
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:08:37 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJSP0QWrmNN1Ci-M-4WDFZBOGHyeZvF71utg0w2ajCbOLtynJw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201027151400.GA138065@stefanha-x1.localdomain>
Here are notes from the session:
protocol stability:
* vhost-user already exists for existing third-party applications
* vfio-user is more general but will take more time to develop
* libvfio-user can be provided to allow device implementations
management:
* Should QEMU launch device emulation processes?
* Nicer user experience
* Technical blockers: forking, hotplug, security is hard once
QEMU has started running
* Probably requires a new process model with a long-running
QEMU management process proxying QMP requests to the emulator process
migration:
* dbus-vmstate
* VFIO live migration ioctls
* Source device can continue if migration fails
* Opaque blobs are transferred to destination, destination can
fail migration if it decides the blobs are incompatible
* How does the VMM share the migration data region with the
device emulation process?
* The vfio-user protocol can trap or mmap
* device versioning (like versioned machine types) needed to pin
the guest-visible device ABI
* Felipe will investigate live migration
reconnection:
* How to support reconnection?
* QEMU has relatively little state of a vfio-user device
* vhost-user has more state so it's a little easier to
reconnect or migrate
* Build in reconnection and live migration from the start to avoid
difficulties in the future
* Relationship between migration and reconnection?
* VFIO has a mechanism for saving/loading device state
* Lots of different reconnection cases that need to be thought through
security & sandboxing:
* Goal: make it easy to lock down the process so developers don't
need to reinvent sandboxing
* minijail
* in-process
* firecracker jailer
* bubblewrap
* launcher tool
* systemd-run
* launcher tool
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-10-29 12:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-10-27 15:14 Out-of-Process Device Emulation session at KVM Forum 2020 Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-28 9:32 ` Thanos Makatos
2020-10-28 10:07 ` Thanos Makatos
2020-10-28 11:09 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-10-29 8:21 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-29 12:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi [this message]
2020-10-29 13:02 ` Jason Wang
2020-10-29 13:06 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-29 14:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-29 14:31 ` Alex Williamson
2020-10-29 15:09 ` Jason Wang
2020-10-29 15:46 ` Alex Williamson
2020-10-29 16:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-30 1:11 ` Jason Wang
2020-10-30 3:04 ` Alex Williamson
2020-10-30 6:21 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-30 9:45 ` Jason Wang
2020-10-30 11:13 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-30 12:07 ` Jason Wang
2020-10-30 13:15 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-02 2:51 ` Jason Wang
2020-11-02 10:13 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-03 7:52 ` Jason Wang
2020-11-03 14:26 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-04 6:50 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2020-11-04 7:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-10-31 21:49 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-11-01 8:26 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-11-02 2:54 ` Jason Wang
2020-11-02 3:00 ` Jason Wang
2020-11-02 10:27 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-11-02 10:34 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-11-02 14:59 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2020-10-30 7:51 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2020-10-30 9:31 ` Jason Wang
2020-10-29 16:15 ` David Edmondson
2020-10-29 16:42 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2020-10-29 17:47 ` Kirti Wankhede
2020-10-29 18:07 ` Paolo Bonzini
2020-10-30 1:15 ` Jason Wang
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