* Re: [Qemu-devel] '.' IDs and certain names breaks -global and -set
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@ 2014-05-10 2:46 ` Alistair Francis
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From: Alistair Francis @ 2014-05-10 2:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Crosthwaite
Cc: Peter Maydell, qemu-devel, Markus Armbruster, Alistair Francis,
Gerd Hoffmann, Andreas Färber
On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Peter Crosthwaite
<peter.crosthwaite@xilinx.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Andreas Färber <afaerber@suse.de> wrote:
>> Am 14.04.2014 09:13, schrieb Markus Armbruster:
>>> Alistair Francis <alistair.francis@xilinx.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 9:58 PM, Peter Crosthwaite
>>>> <peter.crosthwaite@xilinx.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>> We have a number of device model names containing '.'. They're unusable
>>>>>> with -global. That's because "-global A.B.C=foo" gets parsed as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> driver = "A"
>>>>>> property = "B.C"
>>>>>> value = "foo".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong when the device model name is really A.B and the property is C,
>>>>>> e.g. "-global cfi.pflash01.name".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Related problem: QemuOpts ID may contain '.'. Such IDs are in fact
>>>>>> common practice. Unfortunately, they're unusable with -set. For
>>>>>> instance, -set A.B.C.D=foo gets parsed as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> group = "A"
>>>>>> id = "B"
>>>>>> arg = "C.D"
>>>>>> value = "foo"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong when the id is really B.C and the arg is D, e.g. "-device
>>>>>> isa-serial,id=s.0 -set device.s.0.chardev=c0". This issue isn't limited
>>>>>> to devices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Related historical problem: commit b560a9a.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possible solutions:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Outlaw '.' in QemuOpts parameter names (and thus device model names
>>>>>> and property names, because QemuOpts is a major way for users to
>>>>>> specify them).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the "."s because they mean "this is where the vendor stops and
>>>>> the IP name starts". Whereas "-" just delimits multiple words. We seem
>>>>> to be running our of characters however with these overloading
>>>>> problems. But AFAICT ":" is largely unused (within this context
>>>>> anyway). So how about:
>>>>>
>>>>> "-" seperates multiple words in a name
>>>>> ":" splits logical groupings of multiple words as appropriate ( e.g.
>>>>> some-vendor:their-device )
>>>>> "," demilits multiple command line arguments
>>>>> "." accesses property within an object
>>>>> "/" walks the canonical path
>>>>>
>>>>> I do also need to confess to my alternate agenda of device tree driven
>>>>> QEMU - I am still parsing device trees and directly mapping the
>>>>> compatible strings to QOM type names for machine creation. Ambiguity
>>>>> of "-" as meaning the "," or the "-" is hard to deal with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>> * Resolve the syntactic ambiguity semantically (ugh)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Extend the syntax of -global and -set to let users avoid the issue, or
>>>>>> replace them outright
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * Use the old ostrich algorithm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andreas, what restrictions does QOM place on QOM path component names?
>>>>>> No '/', obviously. Anything else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is the consensus with this? I like Peter's naming suggestions as
>>>> they are straight
>>>> forward and don't break any compatibility.
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear a few more opinions, Andreas's in particular. Give him
>>> a bit more time to chime in.
>>
>> Thanks, was absent on Wednesday.
>>
>> It is true that for as long as -global exists, dots in device IDs have
>> been problematic, and the pragmatic response of don't-do-that is not
>> very defensive. Nor is QOM's use of '/' path delimiter.
>>
>> But I don't see how Peter's summary helps. Using ':' in IDs should work
>> today already, so that's no change and doesn't solve problems with '.',
>> ',' or '/'.
>>
>
> I think the problem we are seeing is lack of policy. Yes, we already
> have all the mechanism to implement my proposal without anything more
> than trivial name changing. The question is, is it the right thing to
> do and should we do it?
>
Ping!
Is there any consensus on what policy we should be using?
>> More generally there are three ways bad strings can get in:
>>
>> a) Code.
>> b) Command line.
>> c) HMP/QMP.
>>
>> a) is easiest to tackle, by adding an assert to the relevant QOM APIs
>> and assuring via qtests that those code paths are tested.
>>
>> b) hints at a more general problem of QemuOpts being very optimistic
>> about inputs and leaving escaping to users rather than to central
>> infrastructure IIUC. This involves whether ',' can be used in id=.
>> Additionally, -device code would need to check an id for validity,
>> -object possibly the path, etc.
>>
>> c) would not want object-add etc. to abort on bad input strings, so
>> individual error handling would be needed.
>>
>
> And these problems become simpler ones the new rules outlaw the
> degenerate cases.
>
>> Of course, -global could also check for additional dots after the
>> initial one, if no type matches the string up to the first.
>>
>> In any case it'll be too late to fix this for 2.0.
>>
>
> Understood. This is intended as a -next discussion (as are most of our
> current wider list discussions).
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>
>> Regards,
>> Andreas
>>
>> P.S. Wasn't aware of -set, thanks for the pointer. ;)
>>
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