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From: Nir Soffer <nsoffer@redhat.com>
To: John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com>
Cc: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>, Nir Soffer <nirsof@gmail.com>,
	qemu-block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>,
	QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>, Niels de Vos <ndevos@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] [PATCH] block: posix: Always allocate the first block
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2019 01:45:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMRbyytThpP1KXPmJLpA_i3JLot7j9UshjcqRerkFtmN_T5Seg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b24959b4-f2b2-d720-f8b5-4adc25b89278@redhat.com>

On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 12:57 AM John Snow <jsnow@redhat.com> wrote:

> On 8/16/19 5:21 PM, Nir Soffer wrote:
> > When creating an image with preallocation "off" or "falloc", the first
> > block of the image is typically not allocated. When using Gluster
> > storage backed by XFS filesystem, reading this block using direct I/O
> > succeeds regardless of request length, fooling alignment detection.
> >
> > In this case we fallback to a safe value (4096) instead of the optimal
> > value (512), which may lead to unneeded data copying when aligning
> > requests.  Allocating the first block avoids the fallback.
> >
>
> Where does this detection/fallback happen? (Can it be improved?)
>

In raw_probe_alignment().

This patch explain the issues:
https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-block/2019-08/msg00568.html

Here Kevin and me discussed ways to improve it:
https://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/qemu-block/2019-08/msg00426.html

> When using preallocation=off, we always allocate at least one filesystem
> > block:
> >
> >     $ ./qemu-img create -f raw test.raw 1g
> >     Formatting 'test.raw', fmt=raw size=1073741824
> >
> >     $ ls -lhs test.raw
> >     4.0K -rw-r--r--. 1 nsoffer nsoffer 1.0G Aug 16 23:48 test.raw
> >
> > I did quick performance tests for these flows:
> > - Provisioning a VM with a new raw image.
> > - Copying disks with qemu-img convert to new raw target image
> >
> > I installed Fedora 29 server on raw sparse image, measuring the time
> > from clicking "Begin installation" until the "Reboot" button appears:
> >
> > Before(s)  After(s)     Diff(%)
> > -------------------------------
> >      356        389        +8.4
> >
> > I ran this only once, so we cannot tell much from these results.
> >
>
> That seems like a pretty big difference for just having pre-allocated a
> single block. What was the actual command line / block graph for that test?
>

Having the first block allocated changes the alignment.

Before this patch, we detect request_alignment=1, so we fallback to 4096.
Then we detect buf_align=1, so we fallback to value of request alignment.

The guest see a disk with:
logical_block_size = 512
physical_block_size = 512

But qemu uses:
request_alignment = 4096
buf_align = 4096

storage uses:
logical_block_size = 512
physical_block_size = 512

If the guest does direct I/O using 512 bytes aligment, qemu has to copy
the buffer to align them to 4096 bytes.

After this patch, qemu detects the alignment correctly, so we have:

guest
logical_block_size = 512
physical_block_size = 512

qemu
request_alignment = 512
buf_align = 512

storage:
logical_block_size = 512
physical_block_size = 512

We expect this to be more efficient because qemu does not have to emulate
anything.

Was this over a network that could explain the variance?
>

Maybe, this is complete install of Fedora 29 server, I'm not sure if the
installation
access the network.

> The second test was cloning the installation image with qemu-img
> > convert, doing 10 runs:
> >
> >     for i in $(seq 10); do
> >         rm -f dst.raw
> >         sleep 10
> >         time ./qemu-img convert -f raw -O raw -t none -T none src.raw
> dst.raw
> >     done
> >
> > Here is a table comparing the total time spent:
> >
> > Type    Before(s)   After(s)    Diff(%)
> > ---------------------------------------
> > real      530.028    469.123      -11.4
> > user       17.204     10.768      -37.4
> > sys        17.881      7.011      -60.7
> >
> > Here we see very clear improvement in CPU usage.
> >
>
> Hard to argue much with that. I feel a little strange trying to force
> the allocation of the first block, but I suppose in practice "almost no
> preallocation" is indistinguishable from "exactly no preallocation" if
> you squint.
>

Right.

The real issue is that filesystems and block devices do not expose the
alignment
requirement for direct I/O, so we need to use these hacks and assumptions.

With local XFS we use xfsctl(XFS_IOC_DIOINFO) to get request_alignment, but
this does
not help for XFS filesystem used by Gluster on the server side.

I hope that Niels is working on adding similar ioctl for Glsuter, os it can
expose the properties
of the remote filesystem.

Nir

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-16 22:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-16 21:21 [Qemu-devel] [PATCH] block: posix: Always allocate the first block Nir Soffer
2019-08-16 21:57 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " John Snow
2019-08-16 22:45   ` Nir Soffer [this message]
2019-08-16 23:00     ` John Snow
2019-08-22 11:30 ` [Qemu-devel] " Nir Soffer
2019-08-22 14:28 ` Max Reitz
2019-08-22 16:39   ` Nir Soffer
2019-08-22 18:11     ` Max Reitz
2019-08-22 19:01       ` Nir Soffer
2019-08-23 13:58         ` Max Reitz
2019-08-23 16:30           ` Nir Soffer
2019-08-23 17:41             ` Max Reitz
2019-08-23 16:48           ` Nir Soffer
2019-08-23 17:53             ` Max Reitz
2019-08-24 22:57               ` Nir Soffer
2019-08-25  7:44 ` [Qemu-devel] [Qemu-block] " Maxim Levitsky
2019-08-25 19:51   ` Nir Soffer
2019-08-25 22:17     ` Maxim Levitsky

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