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From: "Marc-André Lureau" <marcandre.lureau@redhat.com>
To: Geoffrey McRae <geoff@hostfission.com>
Cc: "BALATON Zoltan" <balaton@eik.bme.hu>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Alexandre Ratchov" <alex@caoua.org>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, "Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Huth" <huth@tuxfamily.org>,
	"Akihiko Odaki" <odaki@rsg.ci.i.u-tokyo.ac.jp>,
	dirty.ice.hu@gmail.com,
	"Christian Schoenebeck" <qemu_oss@crudebyte.com>,
	"Philippe Mathieu-Daudé" <philmd@linaro.org>,
	"Volker Rümelin" <vr_qemu@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/24] audio: add GStreamer backend
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2025 16:44:35 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAMxuvayp1WiqWe40Ox69DQ+R0X3VrJ_ai001Z04KbEouFGwCjg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d63b9773727b546cea38b1f17e0babd0@hostfission.com>

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Hi Geoffrey

On Tue, Dec 2, 2025 at 4:31 PM Geoffrey McRae <geoff@hostfission.com> wrote:

>
> The PipeWire and PulseAudio backends are used by a large number of users
> in the VFIO community. Removing these would be an enormous determent to
> QEMU.
>

They come with GStreamer pulse/pipe elements.


>
> Audio output from QEMU has always been problematic, but with the
> PulseAudio and later, the PipeWire interface, it became much more user
> friendly for those that wanted to configure the VM to output native
> audio into their sound plumbing.
>

Could you be more specific?


> I do not agree that ALSA is as useful as you state it is, it's dependent
> on the host system's audio hardware support. If the sound device doesn't
> support hardware mixing (almost none do anymore), or the bitrate/sample
> rate QEMU wishes to use, your out of luck.
>
> What I do think needs fixing here is the removal of the forced S16 audio
> format, and the resampler which forces all output to 48KHz. This though
> would require changes to the SPICE protocol as currently it is fixed at
> two channel 48KHz S16 also IIRC.
>
>
Why is it a problem that Spice requires 48khz? Afaik, you can't have both
Spice & another backend (unlike VNC which does monitor to capture)


> IMHO adding GStreamer is unnecessary, we have the modern PipeWire
> interface which is compatible with everything. I see absolutely no
> reason to add so much complexity to the project for little to no gain.
>
>
Pipewire alone is not compatible with Windows or OSX, afaik.

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  reply	other threads:[~2025-12-02 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-01 11:22 [RFC 00/24] audio: add GStreamer backend marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 01/24] rust: patch thiserror to work with meson marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 02/24] audio: remove obsolete/obscure functions marcandre.lureau
2025-12-10 14:02   ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 03/24] audio/dbus: make "dbus" the default backend when using -display dbus marcandre.lureau
2025-12-10 14:03   ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 04/24] qemu-options.hx: clarify default audio backend selection marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 05/24] audio: introduce AudioDriver marcandre.lureau
2025-12-11  5:22   ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 06/24] audio: simplify audio_init() marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 07/24] audio: move object creation to audio_driver_init() marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 08/24] audio: add QOM module-objects for each backend marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 13:20   ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-12-01 18:43     ` Marc-André Lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 09/24] audio: remove set_dbus_server from audio_driver marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 10/24] audio: lookup "audio-" object types, and realize them marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 11/24] audio: switch to module-object, drop audio driver registration marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 12/24] module: remove audio module support marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 13/24] audio: keep a strong reference on the backend marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 14/24] audio: make list type declaration private marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 15/24] audio: make create_pdos() private marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 16/24] replay: remove dependency on audio/ marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 17/24] audio: make all the backend-specific APIs take the be marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:22 ` [RFC 18/24] audio: make AudioBackend truely abstract marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:23 ` [RFC 19/24] audio: split AudioBackend marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:23 ` [RFC 20/24] audio: AUD_ -> audio_be_ marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:23 ` [RFC 21/24] audio-be: add common pre-conditions marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:23 ` [RFC 22/24] audio-be: add some state trace marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:23 ` [RFC 23/24] audio: split AudioDriver code in audio-driver.c marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 11:23 ` [RFC 24/24] WIP: rust/audio: add GStreamer backend marcandre.lureau
2025-12-01 13:12   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-01 18:26     ` Marc-André Lureau
2025-12-01 13:02 ` [RFC 00/24] audio: " BALATON Zoltan
2025-12-01 13:41   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2025-12-01 18:20   ` Marc-André Lureau
2025-12-01 19:30     ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-12-01 19:44       ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2025-12-02 12:01         ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-12-01 20:58     ` Alexandre Ratchov
2025-12-02  7:55       ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-12-02 12:03         ` BALATON Zoltan
2025-12-02 12:25           ` Geoffrey McRae
2025-12-02 12:44             ` Marc-André Lureau [this message]
2025-12-02 13:25               ` Geoffrey McRae
2025-12-02 14:14                 ` Marc-André Lureau
2025-12-02 14:33                   ` Neal Gompa
2025-12-02 14:43                   ` Geoffrey McRae
2025-12-02 14:52                   ` Markus Armbruster
2025-12-03  9:19                     ` Akihiko Odaki
2025-12-02 15:39                   ` Christian Schoenebeck
2025-12-03  8:06                   ` Alexandre Ratchov

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