From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4049C4332F for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 14:52:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p56dN-00028O-GT; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 09:51:58 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p56dI-000262-Az for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 09:51:48 -0500 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.129.124]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p56dF-0003gw-SG for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 09:51:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1670943103; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=AntN5PuhUeetAPK6hXnQ2i6R22TOK3qevw9aGj20VwQ=; b=ZMG3I4tu3o1ZmiBW9T5uM7o7BLPeOGRGE8FAxu46Wpb5/YKY1P/312SCtVTfqzBhg6ymx6 VLOypCkVbjEhdFlK+L1GLxmm6eIYT9qfkVkMypqeP6la7pl8Z/JOLAkdyQ9hthewFwgh+x DeoQknOR9uGnJiAE3ZNdarx/4X/Ii4U= Received: from mail-ed1-f69.google.com (mail-ed1-f69.google.com [209.85.208.69]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.3, cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id us-mta-547-fRs_ZfUsNO-Xk-g4ZDqKtw-1; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 09:51:40 -0500 X-MC-Unique: fRs_ZfUsNO-Xk-g4ZDqKtw-1 Received: by mail-ed1-f69.google.com with SMTP id z16-20020a05640235d000b0046d0912ae25so7380918edc.5 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 06:51:40 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=AntN5PuhUeetAPK6hXnQ2i6R22TOK3qevw9aGj20VwQ=; b=sxoDDdbfQxgidovaarInalJsQzIyAsFUei2X4uwMwyookHSlIsbcis5yNBUqFyH7ls /RyAzM0X8G1SKXbK4I329SBt7SwShyi5rQ5yxGlB3b/nzzcKyhBw60RQEr/I2PtubOBy 4WPk0CiSAB//8sNt0qcRdyfAYUL0XQgQ3Js225XDgjB1n52/YyKDKoXuLOby6rfLScXK 3KiVs5hdkLQ4BclPnRZm41uHZmFW850y2YZyRu7PvqsZsQR3m1dTwBS/n6bhtxgUtpqm 6CbwYfYWduRFO0kZWFKnTWSU487DmI+vBIX0DuHGQxvGwjY97T/lUzrGKHCzdQZtgP4f McJQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pkP3cHNKF5Gfyjhdfrxcl1b93Ppt+J/UqscVW1nO2iS8Cjdsfsq 7GmD9vRxcl2Nim9x1D9qOIAyb3EYYG0CpfBB+dRbww/yoz3svxCO208VqiDRssivP93vm9MjLrZ PJ/JgCJ0O56BAdI26MyNclOuM3hQ8ZFM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:c052:b0:79a:101a:7e57 with SMTP id bm18-20020a170906c05200b0079a101a7e57mr81819234ejb.368.1670943099842; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 06:51:39 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf6V35VgDo6lisGjCJAiNHzX1s+qX4DNEbSEGeFiLy1HvPYYQEK6l7Gkro1w2TCpv7eQS+OnSZ2uCqi+H0Pk58Q= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:c052:b0:79a:101a:7e57 with SMTP id bm18-20020a170906c05200b0079a101a7e57mr81819169ejb.368.1670943099624; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 06:51:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <936e1ac4-cef8-08b4-c688-e5b1e057208b@linaro.org> <1ac96aab-c5c4-b539-956c-d2923e6d8602@linaro.org> <3a86be0b-1621-2a10-c5f5-080f6b8c98ea@kaod.org> In-Reply-To: <3a86be0b-1621-2a10-c5f5-080f6b8c98ea@kaod.org> From: =?UTF-8?B?TWFyYy1BbmRyw6kgTHVyZWF1?= Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 18:51:27 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Single system binary & Dynamic machine model (KVM developers conference call 2022-12-13) To: =?UTF-8?Q?C=C3=A9dric_Le_Goater?= Cc: Stefan Hajnoczi , =?UTF-8?Q?Philippe_Mathieu=2DDaud=C3=A9?= , =?UTF-8?Q?Daniel_P=2E_Berrang=C3=A9?= , John Snow , Mark Burton , "Dr. David Alan Gilbert" , Paolo Bonzini , Markus Armbruster , Eduardo Habkost , "Edgar E. Iglesias" , Thomas Huth , Juan Quintela , Bernhard Beschow , Brian Cain , Warner Losh , Luc Michel , Paul Walmsley , Alessandro Di Federico , LIU Zhiwei , Jim Shu , Richard Henderson , Alistair Francis , =?UTF-8?B?QWxleCBCZW5uw6ll?= , Anton Johansson , Michal Privoznik , Kevin Wolf , Peter Maydell , "Denis V. Lunev" , Cleber Rosa , Eduardo Habkost , qemu-devel , Dominik Csapak , Christophe de Dinechin , Gerd Hoffmann , Kashyap Chamarthy , Mark Cave-Ayland , Jagannathan Raman , Elena Ufimtseva , John G Johnson , Dongli Zhang , afaerber@suse.de, andrea.arcangeli@redhat.com, bazulay@redhat.com, bbauman@redhat.com, cjia@nvidia.com, cw@f00f.org, digitaleric@google.com, dustin.kirkland@canonical.com, Eric Blake , Eric Auger , felipe@nutanix.com, iggy@theiggy.com, Jan Kiszka , Jason Gunthorpe , jidong.xiao@gmail.com, jjherne@linux.vnet.ibm.com, Joao Martins , mburton@qti.qualcom.com, mdean@redhat.com, mimu@linux.vnet.ibm.com, z.huo@139.com, zwu.kernel@gmail.com, Laurent Vivier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e4b16e05efb6c153" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.129.124; envelope-from=mlureau@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org --000000000000e4b16e05efb6c153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:44 PM C=C3=A9dric Le Goater wrote: > On 12/13/22 15:17, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote: > > On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 at 09:08, Philippe Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9 > wrote: > >> > >> On 12/12/22 00:41, Philippe Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9 wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> In the last years we had few discussions on "simplifying" QEMU (syste= m > >>> emulation / virtualization), in particular for the "management layer"= . > >>> > >>> Some of us are interested in having QEMU able to dynamically create > >>> machine models. Mark Burton's current approach is via a Python script > >>> which generates QMP commands. This is just another case of "managemen= t > >>> layer". > >>> > >>> Various problems have been raised regarding the current limitations o= f > >>> QEMU's APIs. We'd like to remember / get a broader idea on these limi= ts > >>> and look at some ideas / proposals which have been discussed / posted > >>> on this list. > >>> > >>> Feel free to complete your thoughts on this public etherpad: > >>> https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/qemu-emulation-bof%402022-12-13 > >>> > >>> Topic I remember which can be good starters: > >>> > >>> - Current limitations of QAPI (& QMP) model (Markus Armbruster) > >>> > >>> - Adding a new qemu-runtime-$TARGET / QMP-only binary without today's > >>> limitations (Daniel P. Berrang=C3=A9 & Paolo Bonzini) > >>> > >>> - Problem with x-exit-preconfig, reworking MachinePhaseInit state > >>> machine (Paolo Bonzini) > >>> > >>> Markus / Daniel / Paolo expressed their ideas on the list (the > >>> historical threads are referenced in the etherpad) so reading the > >>> relevant threads before the call will help to get in the topic. > >>> These people don't have to be in the call, but if they can attend > >>> that would be very nice :) > >>> > >>> The call will be Tuesday, December 13 at 3pm CET on this Bluejeans > link: > >>> http://bluejeans.com/quintela > >> We moved the call here: > >> > >> > https://teams.microsoft.com/_#/pre-join-calling/19:meeting_MjU2NDhkOGYtOG= Y5ZC00MzRjLWJjNjgtYWI2ODQxZGExMWNj@thread.v2 > > > > Please use a video conferencing system that allows people to join > > without logging in and works across browsers. I gave up on Teams. > > I also gave up after 27 or so clicks, redirections, emails checks, etc. > Too complex. There are much simpler alternatives. > > Sorry, similar situation here: "Hmm. Your browser version isn't supported." firefox-107.0.1-1.fc37.x86_64 --000000000000e4b16e05efb6c153 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi

On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 6:44 PM C= =C3=A9dric Le Goater <clg@kaod.org&g= t; wrote:
On 12/= 13/22 15:17, Stefan Hajnoczi wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 at 09:08, Philippe Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9 <philmd@linaro.org> w= rote:
>>
>> On 12/12/22 00:41, Philippe Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9 wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> In the last years we had few discussions on "simplifying&= quot; QEMU (system
>>> emulation / virtualization), in particular for the "manag= ement layer".
>>>
>>> Some of us are interested in having QEMU able to dynamically c= reate
>>> machine models. Mark Burton's current approach is via a Py= thon script
>>> which generates QMP commands. This is just another case of &qu= ot;management
>>> layer".
>>>
>>> Various problems have been raised regarding the current limita= tions of
>>> QEMU's APIs. We'd like to remember / get a broader ide= a on these limits
>>> and look at some ideas / proposals which have been discussed /= posted
>>> on this list.
>>>
>>> Feel free to complete your thoughts on this public etherpad: >>> https://etherpad.opendev.= org/p/qemu-emulation-bof%402022-12-13
>>>
>>> Topic I remember which can be good starters:
>>>
>>> - Current limitations of QAPI (& QMP) model (Markus Armbru= ster)
>>>
>>> - Adding a new qemu-runtime-$TARGET / QMP-only binary without = today's
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0limitations (Daniel P. Berrang=C3=A9 & = Paolo Bonzini)
>>>
>>> - Problem with x-exit-preconfig, reworking MachinePhaseInit st= ate
>>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0machine (Paolo Bonzini)
>>>
>>> Markus / Daniel / Paolo expressed their ideas on the list (the=
>>> historical threads are referenced in the etherpad) so reading = the
>>> relevant threads before the call will help to get in the topic= .
>>> These people don't have to be in the call, but if they can= attend
>>> that would be very nice :)
>>>
>>> The call will be Tuesday, December 13 at 3pm CET on this Bluej= eans link:
>>> http://bluejeans.com/quintela
>> We moved the call here:
>>
>> https://teams.microsoft.com/_#/pre-join-calling/1= 9:meeting_MjU2NDhkOGYtOGY5ZC00MzRjLWJjNjgtYWI2ODQxZGExMWNj@thread.v2 >
> Please use a video conferencing system that allows people to join
> without logging in and works across browsers. I gave up on Teams.

I also gave up after 27 or so clicks, redirections, emails checks, etc.
Too complex. There are much simpler alternatives.


Sorry, similar situation here:

"Hmm. Your browser version isn't supported."= ;

firefox-107.0.1-1.fc37.x86_64

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