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From: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Huth" <thuth@redhat.com>,
	"Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>,
	"QEMU Developers" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Peter Maydell" <peter.maydell@linaro.org>,
	"Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Alex Bennée" <alex.bennee@linaro.org>,
	qemu-arm <qemu-arm@nongnu.org>,
	"Maxim Levitsky" <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	libvir-list@redhat.com,
	"Richard Henderson" <richard.henderson@linaro.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	"Reinoud Zandijk" <reinoud@netbsd.org>,
	"Marcel Apfelbaum" <marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] Deprecate support for 32-bit x86 and arm hosts
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 00:46:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANCZdfpdjBk63BVFqA3E3BJCkdgX0Z53G_=ktwKYLqHbgXxhqw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lekg53gn.fsf@pond.sub.org>

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On Wed, Mar 1, 2023, 12:36 AM Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com> wrote:

> "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 09:05:16PM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote:
> >> Well, without CI, I assume that the code will bitrot quite fast
> (considering
> >> that there are continuous improvements to TCG, for example).
> >
> > We have lots of hosts which we don't test with CI.  They don't bitrot
> > because people do testing before release. This is what RCs are for.
> > We did releases before CI - it is a cost/benefit thing.
>
> Dropping 32-bit x86 from CI feels like a no-brainer in the current
> situation.
>
> As to deprecating 32-bit x86: the people by far most qualified to judge
> the "cost/benefit thing" are the regulars who are bearing the cost,
> i.e. the people who are actually maintaining it.  Their opinion should
> overrule any "but somebody out there might still want to use it".
>
> Maintainers, please state your opinion, if any: aye or nay.
>
> Richard tells us "the maint overhead is large."  Makes me think he's in
> favour of dropping 32-bit x86.  Richard?
>
> Peter seems to be reluctant to drop 32-bit ARM at this point.  Peter?
>

For FreeBSD systen we have no 32bit arm host users. There may be a few i386
host users left, but they are a tiny sliver of users. The overwhelming bulk
of our users for qemu-system- are on x86-64 or aarch64 hosts.

For bsd-user, there is no 32 bit host support at all. It was dropped as
part of the push to prune old code and upstream.

Warner

>

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      reply	other threads:[~2023-03-01  7:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-27 11:10 [PATCH 0/2] Deprecate support for 32-bit x86 and arm hosts Thomas Huth
2023-02-27 11:10 ` [PATCH 1/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit x86 hosts and qemu-system-i386 Thomas Huth
2023-02-27 11:50   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-27 20:12     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-27 20:21       ` Richard Henderson
2023-02-28  8:59         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 12:26           ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-28  9:00         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 16:57           ` Richard Henderson
2023-02-27 22:32       ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-28  7:43         ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28  7:49       ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28  8:19         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28  8:59           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28  9:03             ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28  9:14               ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28  9:40                 ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28 10:11                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 10:39                     ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-28 10:51                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 11:12                         ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28 11:24                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 11:27                             ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28 11:34                         ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-28 11:45                           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-27 20:25     ` Richard Henderson
2023-02-28  7:52       ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-27 11:10 ` [PATCH 2/2] docs/about: Deprecate 32-bit arm hosts and qemu-system-arm Thomas Huth
2023-02-27 18:38 ` [PATCH 0/2] Deprecate support for 32-bit x86 and arm hosts Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28  7:39   ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28  9:01     ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-28 11:46       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-02-28 20:05       ` Thomas Huth
2023-02-28 21:32         ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2023-03-01  6:38           ` Thomas Huth
2023-03-01  7:35           ` Markus Armbruster
2023-03-01  7:46             ` Warner Losh [this message]

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