[Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Fabrice Bellard]

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From: Fabrice Bellard <fabrice@bellard.org>
To: hetz@witch.dyndns.org
Subject: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:34:23 +0200
Message-ID: <40F6DC3F.6080604@bellard.org>

Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> With the latest changes to the output of serial and the QEMU console, you'll 
> need to use CTRL SHIFT and depends on what you wish, F1, F2, and F3..
> 
> That cause problems with stuff like:
> 
> * Changing keyboard languages in Windows as a guest (pressing CTRL SHIFT in 
> Windows with support for Hebrew, Arabic, Farsi, Thai makes the whole line/s 
> "ident" to the right or left, depends which combination you pressed)
> * Hebrew/Arabic/Farsi/Thai support in QT based apps (RTL extension)..
> 
> So, I suggest to change the keys to CTRL ALT and 1,2,3 etc (since CTRL ALT 
> F1-F3 is being taken by the VT's)..
> 
> Fabrice, comments?

This is a good idea. Do you also want CTRL-ALT-F for full screen and 
another key to switch the grab state ?

Fabrice.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Antony T Curtis]

On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 20:35, Fabrice Bellard wrote:
<snip>

> This is a good idea. Do you also want CTRL-ALT-F for full screen and 
> another key to switch the grab state ?

I personally think that the Shift-Ctrl combination is good ... I cannot
remember any application else which uses that for action keystrokes.

-- 
Antony T Curtis <antony.t.curtis@ntlworld.com>

[Qemu-devel] Re: [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Emmanuel Charpentier]

Antony T Curtis wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 20:35, Fabrice Bellard wrote:
> <snip>
> 
>>This is a good idea. Do you also want CTRL-ALT-F for full screen and 
>>another key to switch the grab state ?
> 
> 
> I personally think that the Shift-Ctrl combination is good ... I cannot
> remember any application else which uses that for action keystrokes.

Ahem...

OpenOffice Writer uses ctrl+Shift+Space for unbreakable spaces.

					Emmanuel Charpentier

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Laurent Amon]

On 20 juil. 04, at 23:39, Emmanuel Charpentier wrote:

> Antony T Curtis wrote:
>> On Thu, 2004-07-15 at 20:35, Fabrice Bellard wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> This is a good idea. Do you also want CTRL-ALT-F for full screen and 
>>> another key to switch the grab state ?
>> I personally think that the Shift-Ctrl combination is good ... I 
>> cannot
>> remember any application else which uses that for action keystrokes.
>
> Ahem...
>
> OpenOffice Writer uses ctrl+Shift+Space for unbreakable spaces.
>
> 					Emmanuel Charpentier

We'll have to settle on something (or make it configureable). Note that 
you can also reconigure OOo shortcuts.

May I suggest Escape-Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift + something ? We have 2 hands, 
after all :-)

Lga.

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Laurent Amon <amon@stanfordalumni.org>
   Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:10:41 +0200

   > May I suggest Escape-Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift + something ? We have
   > 2 hands, after all :-)

No, This is used to start DOOM in Emacs.
-- 
Pavel Janík


... and that I stopped debugging because a power outage destroyed the live
gdb session.
                  -- Francesco Potorti` debugging GNU Emacs

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Johannes Schindelin]

Hi,

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, [iso-8859-2] Pavel Janík wrote:
>    From: Laurent Amon <amon@stanfordalumni.org>
>    Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:10:41 +0200
>
>    > May I suggest Escape-Meta-Alt-Ctrl-Shift + something ? We have
>    > 2 hands, after all :-)
>
> No, This is used to start DOOM in Emacs.

... or is it the other way round?

Ciao,
Dscho

Re: [Qemu-devel] Re: [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Pavel Janík]

   From: Emmanuel Charpentier <charpent@bacbuc.dyndns.org>
   Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 23:39:48 +0200

   > OpenOffice Writer uses ctrl+Shift+Space for unbreakable spaces.

Isn't it Ctrl+SPC only?
-- 
Pavel Janík

I don't think that this filesystem is usable if you care about 
your program writes your data complete and correct to disk.
                  -- Thorsten Kukuk in about XFS

Re: [Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[malc]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Fabrice Bellard wrote:
>
> Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > With the latest changes to the output of serial and the QEMU console, you'll
> > need to use CTRL SHIFT and depends on what you wish, F1, F2, and F3..
> >
> > That cause problems with stuff like:
> >
> > * Changing keyboard languages in Windows as a guest (pressing CTRL SHIFT in
> > Windows with support for Hebrew, Arabic, Farsi, Thai makes the whole line/s
> > "ident" to the right or left, depends which combination you pressed)
> > * Hebrew/Arabic/Farsi/Thai support in QT based apps (RTL extension)..
> >
> > So, I suggest to change the keys to CTRL ALT and 1,2,3 etc (since CTRL ALT
> > F1-F3 is being taken by the VT's)..
> >
> > Fabrice, comments?
>
> This is a good idea. Do you also want CTRL-ALT-F for full screen and
> another key to switch the grab state ?

UAE(if im not mistaken, after all i stole the idea from there) uses
F12+hotkey for those, one can go as far as use PrintScreen/Pause or some
other weird and underused key for a combo.

-- 
mailto:malc@pulsesoft.com

Re: [Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Antony T Curtis]

On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 00:51, malc wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Fabrice Bellard wrote:
> >
> > Hetz Ben Hamo wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > With the latest changes to the output of serial and the QEMU console, you'll
> > > need to use CTRL SHIFT and depends on what you wish, F1, F2, and F3..
> > >
> > > That cause problems with stuff like:
> > >
> > > * Changing keyboard languages in Windows as a guest (pressing CTRL SHIFT in
> > > Windows with support for Hebrew, Arabic, Farsi, Thai makes the whole line/s
> > > "ident" to the right or left, depends which combination you pressed)
> > > * Hebrew/Arabic/Farsi/Thai support in QT based apps (RTL extension)..
> > >
> > > So, I suggest to change the keys to CTRL ALT and 1,2,3 etc (since CTRL ALT
> > > F1-F3 is being taken by the VT's)..
> > >
> > > Fabrice, comments?
> >
> > This is a good idea. Do you also want CTRL-ALT-F for full screen and
> > another key to switch the grab state ?
> 
> UAE(if im not mistaken, after all i stole the idea from there) uses
> F12+hotkey for those, one can go as far as use PrintScreen/Pause or some
> other weird and underused key for a combo.

How about Ctrl-SysRq ?

IBM designated that keystroke for getting the attention of the System...
Unfortunately, Microsoft decided they knew better and went with
Ctrl-Alt-Del.

Can anyone think of anything which actually uses Ctrl-SysRq?

-- 
Antony T Curtis <antony.t.curtis@ntlworld.com>

Re: [Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Jim C. Brown]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 10:09:24PM +0100, Antony T Curtis wrote:
> 
> How about Ctrl-SysRq ?
> 
> IBM designated that keystroke for getting the attention of the System...
> Unfortunately, Microsoft decided they knew better and went with
> Ctrl-Alt-Del.
> 
> Can anyone think of anything which actually uses Ctrl-SysRq?
> 
> -- 
> Antony T Curtis <antony.t.curtis@ntlworld.com>
> 

No. Linux, the kernel, uses Alt-SysRq though. At least if you compile it
with kernel debugging (it is useful as you can umount your filesystems and
reboot after a kernel panic).

> 
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Re: [Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Jernej Simončič]

On Thursday, July 15, 2004, 23:09:24, Antony T Curtis wrote:

> Can anyone think of anything which actually uses Ctrl-SysRq?

Isn't that Ctrl+PrintScreen? IIRC, in DOS it caused printing of everything
that went on screen.

-- 
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       -- Tylk's Law

Re: [Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Sylvain Petreolle]

--- Jernej Simonèiè <jernej@ena.si> a écrit : 
> > Can anyone think of anything which actually uses Ctrl-SysRq?
>
> Isn't that Ctrl+PrintScreen? IIRC, in DOS it caused printing of everything
> that went on screen.
> 
It _was_  PrintScreen only...
But tell us if you need really this function to be enabled today ?

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Re: [Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Laurent Amon]

On 16 juil. 04, at 01:51, malc wrote:
> UAE(if im not mistaken, after all i stole the idea from there) uses
> F12+hotkey for those, one can go as far as use PrintScreen/Pause or 
> some
> other weird and underused key for a combo.
>
I'd rather have some key combo you can have on a mac keyboard, if you 
don't mind :-)

Maybe we can make that customizable?

Lga.

Re: [Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[Jim C. Brown]

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 12:04:31AM +0200, Laurent Amon wrote:
> 
> On 16 juil. 04, at 01:51, malc wrote:
> >UAE(if im not mistaken, after all i stole the idea from there) uses
> >F12+hotkey for those, one can go as far as use PrintScreen/Pause or 
> >some
> >other weird and underused key for a combo.
> >
> I'd rather have some key combo you can have on a mac keyboard, if you 
> don't mind :-)
> 
> Maybe we can make that customizable?
> 
> Lga.
> 
> 

Yes, in the qemu config file have something like

QemuVcKey = Ctrl-Alt-0
MonitorVcKey = Ctrl-Alt-1
SerialVcKey = Ctrl-Alt-2
MouseGrab = Shift-PrintScreen

where the key sequence can be any key sequence thats valid for the monitor's
sendkey command, and the defaults being

QemuVcKey = Ctrl-Shift-F1
MonitorVcKey = Ctrl-Shift-F2
SerialVcKey = Ctrl-Shift-F3
MouseGrab = Ctrl-Shift

I guess you could make em command line options, tho its kinda messy...

qemu -QemuVcKey Ctrl-Shift-F1 -MonitorVcKey Ctrl-Shift-F2 -SerialVcKey Ctrl-Shift-F3 -MouseGrab Ctrl-Shift

I like the new monitor/serial options btw .. makes qemu more configurable.

I can get the old behavior with "qemu -monitor stdio -serial pty ..." but if
I need to I can also do "qemu -serial stdio .." and just use a pipe to talk
to the serial console. Clever!

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Re: [Qemu-devel] [Fwd: Re: keyboard shortcut suggestion]

[vaise]

On Friday 16 July 2004 00:04, Laurent Amon wrote:
> I'd rather have some key combo you can have on a mac keyboard, if you
> don't mind :-)
>
> Maybe we can make that customizable?
>
Thank you Laurent !