From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E79FC05027 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 17:21:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT4Q1-0002WZ-OG; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:21:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT4Py-0002WL-Vt for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:21:06 -0500 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.129.124]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT4Px-0007Q4-5d for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:21:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1676654464; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references; bh=H1aok+YUuu/SVL9DaaFfopjW593iFvC/Z2Rz3nBCet8=; b=guCLW18UKoBd96UzB40hljhLhEM32rAOebpsu9BNAwalT5zAO0pOIakUF0UPcCmlM0YHo+ CPtpK2KBM77GATa3AixyVHLBEND+sf6hOMmMqqryYNJ+6inYEsTbhgZoUcxIHcU9P0KMRO dlez/xzq35EkoWGiQDx2esFsCMT7IGg= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mx3-rdu2.redhat.com [66.187.233.73]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-433-X9l0myFeOyqyiwGnomHefQ-1; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 12:20:59 -0500 X-MC-Unique: X9l0myFeOyqyiwGnomHefQ-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA58A3C14869; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 17:20:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.33.36.98]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4CD622166B30; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 17:20:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 17:20:53 +0000 From: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= To: Reinoud Zandijk Cc: Markus Armbruster , Thomas Huth , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Peter Maydell , Stefan Hajnoczi , Richard Henderson , libvir-list@redhat.com, Paolo Bonzini , Philippe =?utf-8?Q?Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9?= , Ryo ONODERA , Brad Smith , Stefan Weil Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] docs/about/deprecated: Deprecate 32-bit host systems Message-ID: References: <20230130114428.1297295-1-thuth@redhat.com> <87a61cbmti.fsf@pond.sub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9 (2022-11-12) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.6 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.129.124; envelope-from=berrange@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 05:06:42PM +0100, Reinoud Zandijk wrote: > On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 11:36:41AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote: > > I feel the discussion petered out without a conclusion. > > > > I don't think letting the status quo win by inertia is a good outcome > > here. > > > > Which 32-bit hosts are still useful, and why? > > NetBSD runs on a bunch of 32 bit-only hosts (sparc32, ppc32, armv7, vax, > mips32 etc.) that all run Qemu fine. They are all actively maintained and > released as part of the main releases. > > Maintaining 32 bit host support is thus vital for those machines; not everyone > runs a 64 bit system. In the context of NetBSD, is QEMU a leaf node package, or is it a dependancy of anything involved in delivery of the distro ? ie, if QEMU were to drop 32-bit support, if it is merely a leaf node package, then end users of NetBSD would not have access to QEMU, but you would still be able to deliver the rest of NetBSD on those platforms without the QEMU package present ? With regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|