From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C026C6379F for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:52:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT19y-0002vQ-U9; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 08:52:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT19x-0002v4-P4 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 08:52:21 -0500 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.133.124]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pT19w-0004K7-2U for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 08:52:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1676641939; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=yEgen9jCDG/VPnHCI9H7lnFvUNj3HP5IJXD11flmpyA=; b=YsrgvWqjfwbhlAmeyRzw6JlRkipldtgUqqnZfNhZio9aL8BCalfGr6bbvJJPIioOw7drBE GjWWX76JW1zAvjpqFWlY9n2HsoSY2pj8dTMWqthNQoZjx3WmRC5+g5iw+0gBAY7NS8gSj+ puXLyDnV4PHgg0d6cz6fzirNqL4uo9M= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mx3-rdu2.redhat.com [66.187.233.73]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-472-uoMNdMEGMb-NVYHmP8fj5A-1; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 08:52:16 -0500 X-MC-Unique: uoMNdMEGMb-NVYHmP8fj5A-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F0FD1C0A59E; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:52:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.33.36.98]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 130731121314; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:52:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 13:52:08 +0000 From: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= To: Thomas Huth Cc: John Snow , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Peter Maydell , Cleber Rosa , Philippe =?utf-8?Q?Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9?= , Beraldo Leal , Michael Roth , Wainer dos Santos Moschetta , Markus Armbruster , Paolo Bonzini , qemu-block@nongnu.org, Hanna Reitz , Alex =?utf-8?Q?Benn=C3=A9e?= , Kevin Wolf Subject: Re: Proposed way forward Re: [PATCH v2 0/7] Python: Drop support for Python 3.6 Message-ID: References: <20230210003147.1309376-1-jsnow@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9 (2022-11-12) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.3 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=berrange@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 02:46:53PM +0100, Thomas Huth wrote: > On 17/02/2023 12.37, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > ... > > The long life enterprise distros are the pain point in unlocking the > > new of python features. So the proposal is that, at a minimum, we > > augment the current policy with words to the effect that: > > > > * For long life cycle distributions, QEMU will follow normal > > policy for platform level dependancies / native code. For > > Python modules, QEMU may choose to require a newer versions > > than are available from the distribution package manager. > > Sounds reasonable to me. But I think we still should also add a sentence > where we limit the total amount of time that we promise to support a > long-term distro. Otherwise we'll also get problems with other way too > backlevel native code dependencies at one point in time. Oh sure, having something time related mention makes sense. > I just sent a patch for discussion, shortly before I noticed your mail here. > Feel free to grab the ideas from there into your patch (if you're planning > to send one), or let me know if I should try to include the Python-related > sentences in mine. I wasn't planning to imminently send a change. Especially now that both yourself an Paolo have proposed similar competing additions, lets just iterate on one of those 2 proposals. With regards, Daniel -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|