From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0671AC05027 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 10:41:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSyAl-0000i4-QS; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 05:40:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSyAj-0000hn-77 for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 05:40:57 -0500 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.133.124]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pSyAh-00075G-5y for qemu-devel@nongnu.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 05:40:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1676630454; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references; bh=R5UZVQBb6Py6k5EccI/X6G97FS3G6/MvxoYIVM7OVVY=; b=LMgSetJrLxUbHpX9GNvIAo0RtykSFMxZnqny8/jswteKNaKLJ3dOvX5mQvwX5btC2jNKtE 3UYS6iY+0a8SqVmvEQ1Rr1m4docTuxxq+/4lFew0MiBBHJpgqfGta5n6utbB25sJ1Neeh9 nGUIYVPl6/nqq2gu0AB8SK3qQOvipvY= Received: from mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (mimecast-mx02.redhat.com [66.187.233.88]) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP with STARTTLS (version=TLSv1.2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id us-mta-374-t7m2pPAiOAeXVbNUQWC4sA-1; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 05:40:49 -0500 X-MC-Unique: t7m2pPAiOAeXVbNUQWC4sA-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com [10.11.54.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx02.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D0698027EB; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 10:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (unknown [10.33.36.98]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB9682026D4B; Fri, 17 Feb 2023 10:40:46 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 10:40:44 +0000 From: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= To: Markus Armbruster Cc: Thomas Huth , qemu-devel@nongnu.org, Peter Maydell , Stefan Hajnoczi , Richard Henderson , libvir-list@redhat.com, Paolo Bonzini , Philippe =?utf-8?Q?Mathieu-Daud=C3=A9?= , Reinoud Zandijk , Ryo ONODERA , Brad Smith , Stefan Weil Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] docs/about/deprecated: Deprecate 32-bit host systems Message-ID: References: <20230130114428.1297295-1-thuth@redhat.com> <87a61cbmti.fsf@pond.sub.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87a61cbmti.fsf@pond.sub.org> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.9 (2022-11-12) X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 3.1 on 10.11.54.4 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=berrange@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: qemu-devel@nongnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: Daniel =?utf-8?B?UC4gQmVycmFuZ8Op?= Errors-To: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org Sender: qemu-devel-bounces+qemu-devel=archiver.kernel.org@nongnu.org On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 11:36:41AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote: > I feel the discussion petered out without a conclusion. > > I don't think letting the status quo win by inertia is a good outcome > here. > > Which 32-bit hosts are still useful, and why? > > Please note my question is not about the cost of keeping them (or > savings from not keeping them), it's about the value they provide. When > value rounds to zero, cost is irrelevant, so let's get a firm idea of > value *first*. With my OS maintainer hat on, 32-bit host support is not relevant to Fedora[1] or RHEL. Both have dropped all 32-bit host install support, only maintaining 32-bit builds of some libaries for use on 64-bit host install, which is not relevant to QEMU's deliverables. With regards, Daniel [1] Arm7 was the last 32-bit host in Fedora, dropped after F36 -- |: https://berrange.com -o- https://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange :| |: https://libvirt.org -o- https://fstop138.berrange.com :| |: https://entangle-photo.org -o- https://www.instagram.com/dberrange :|