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From: "Daniel P. Berrangé" <berrange@redhat.com>
To: Markus Armbruster <armbru@redhat.com>
Cc: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@yandex-team.ru>,
	qemu-devel@nongnu.org, eblake@redhat.com, eduardo@habkost.net,
	pbonzini@redhat.com, marcel.apfelbaum@gmail.com, mst@redhat.com,
	philmd@linaro.org, den-plotnikov@yandex-team.ru,
	antonkuchin@yandex-team.ru,
	"reviewer:Incompatible changes" <libvir-list@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 14/16] qapi: deprecate "device" field of DEVICE_* events
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 11:13:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y+ts1vBvI+IEH//K@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bklwoce9.fsf@pond.sub.org>

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 09:54:22AM +0100, Markus Armbruster wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé <berrange@redhat.com> writes:
> 
> > On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 05:01:01PM +0300, Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy wrote:
> >> The device field is redundant, because QOM path always include device
> >> ID when this ID exist.
> >
> > The flipside to that view is that applications configuring QEMU are
> > specifying the device ID for -device (CLI) / device_add (QMP) and
> > not the QOM path. IOW, the device ID is the more interesting field
> > than QOM path, so feels like the wrong one to be dropping.
> 
> QOM path is a reliable way to identify a device.  Device ID isn't:
> devices need not have one.  Therefore, dropping the QOM path would be
> wrong.
> 
> > Is there any real benefit to dropping this ? 
> 
> The device ID is a trap for the unwary: relying on it is fine until you
> run into a scenario where you have to deal with devices lacking IDs.

When a mgmt app is configuring QEMU though, it does it exclusively
with device ID values. If I add a device "-device foo,id=dev0",
and then later hot-unplug it "device_del dev0", it is pretty
reasonable to then expect that the DEVICE_DELETED even will then
include the ID value the app has been using elsewhere.

If the mgmt app is using IDs everywhere when dealing with a device,
then trap effectively doesn't exist for their usage scenario.

With regards,
Daniel
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-02-14 11:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-02-13 14:00 [PATCH v4 00/16] pci hotplug tracking Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 01/16] pci/shpc: set attention led to OFF on reset Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:16   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14  9:49     ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:31   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 02/16] pci/shpc: change shpc_get_status() return type to uint8_t Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:32   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 03/16] pci/shpc: shpc_slot_command(): handle PWRONLY -> ENABLED transition Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:33   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 04/16] pci/shpc: more generic handle hot-unplug in shpc_slot_command() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:34   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 05/16] pci/shpc: pass PCIDevice pointer to shpc_slot_command() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:35   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 06/16] pci/shpc: refactor shpc_device_plug_common() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:36   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 07/16] pcie: pcie_cap_slot_write_config(): use correct macro Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:37   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 08/16] pcie_regs: drop duplicated indicator value macros Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:39   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 09/16] pcie: drop unused PCIExpressIndicator Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:40   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 10/16] pcie: pcie_cap_slot_enable_power() use correct helper Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:41   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 11/16] pcie: introduce pcie_sltctl_powered_off() helper Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:41   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:00 ` [PATCH v4 12/16] pcie: set power indicator to off on reset by default Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:42   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:01 ` [PATCH v4 13/16] pci: introduce pci_find_the_only_child() Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 19:43   ` Anton Kuchin
2023-02-13 14:01 ` [PATCH v4 14/16] qapi: deprecate "device" field of DEVICE_* events Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:13   ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-14  8:54     ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14  9:25       ` Peter Krempa
2023-02-14 11:14         ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-14 11:49           ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14 11:53             ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14 12:17               ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14 13:56                 ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14 16:18                   ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14 11:53             ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14 11:13       ` Daniel P. Berrangé [this message]
2023-02-14 11:57         ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14 13:51           ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-14 13:59           ` Daniel P. Berrangé
2023-02-14 16:28             ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-15 21:00               ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-16  0:34                 ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-13 14:01 ` [PATCH v4 15/16] qapi: add HOTPLUG_STATE event Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:10   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14  8:56     ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14  9:52       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:01 ` [PATCH v4 16/16] qapi: introduce DEVICE_ON event Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2023-02-13 14:12   ` Philippe Mathieu-Daudé
2023-02-14  8:58     ` Markus Armbruster
2023-02-14  9:56       ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy

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