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* [RFC]migration: stop/start device at the end of live migration concurrently
@ 2021-03-01 15:09 Wangxin (Alexander)
  2021-03-01 16:02 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 2+ messages in thread
From: Wangxin (Alexander) @ 2021-03-01 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: qemu-devel@nongnu.org
  Cc: Wuchenye (karot, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept),
	Zhoujian (jay), dgilbert@redhat.com, quintela@redhat.com

Hi all,

We found that the downtime of migration will reach a few seconds when live
migrating a huge VM with 224vCPU/180GiB/16 vhost-user nics (x32 queues)/
24 vhost-user-blk disks(x4 queues), most of the time is spent in the
position of stopping the device at src and starting device at dst.

Our idea is to stop the device through multiple threads during the end of
migration. To be more specific, we create thread pool at the beginning of live
migraion, when migration thread call virtio_vmstate_change callback to stop or
start device in vm_state_notify, it will submits request to thread pool to
handle the callback concurrently.

We live migrate the vm and count the cost time at different stages of
stopping/starting devices.

  -       -     -                 Cost: Original    With state change concurrently
                get vring base             36ms          18ms
        disk    disable guest notify       48ms          32ms
                disable host notify        300ms         120ms
Src             get vring base             1376ms        294ms
        net     disable host notify        1011ms        116ms
                disable guest notify       59ms          40ms
 -       -      -
                enable guest notify        310ms         97ms
        net     set memtable               48ms          20ms
                enable host notify         2022ms        114ms 
Dst             enable host notify         312ms         78ms
        disk    enable guest notify        32ms          23ms
                set memTable               16ms          10ms
Total Downtime                             5600ms        962ms

However, there are some side effects:
1. When disable host notify or guest notify concurrently, the vm will be crashed
due to disabling same notify at the different threads, we now add two different lock
to solve this problem, it is hacking to do so and may be resulting in other problems.

2. As the QEMU BQL will be held by migration thread before stopping device in
migration_completion, there will be deadlock in the following scene:
migration_thread                              [thread 1]
  set_up_multithread
  ...
  migration_completion()# get QEMU BQL
    qemu_mutex_lock_iothread()
    vm_stop_force_state()
    ...
      submit stopping device request
      to thread pool
                                           virtio_vmstate_change
                                             virtio_set_status
                                             ...
                                               memory_region_transaction_begin
                                               ...
                                                 prepare_mmio_access
                                                   qemu_mutex_iothread_locked()# N
                                                   qemu_mutex_lock_iothread()# deadlock

Now we add another lock to replace the BQL in this scene to solve the problem,
but we think this is not reliable enough and has potential risk that other
processes will also use the QEMU BQL during the process of stopping device. My
question is: how to deal with the conflict with QEMU BQL properly.

Any advice will be appreciated, thanks.


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* Re: [RFC]migration: stop/start device at the end of live migration concurrently
  2021-03-01 15:09 [RFC]migration: stop/start device at the end of live migration concurrently Wangxin (Alexander)
@ 2021-03-01 16:02 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 2+ messages in thread
From: Dr. David Alan Gilbert @ 2021-03-01 16:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wangxin (Alexander), mst
  Cc: Wuchenye (karot, Cloud Infrastructure Service Product Dept),
	Zhoujian (jay), qemu-devel@nongnu.org, quintela@redhat.com

* Wangxin (Alexander) (wangxinxin.wang@huawei.com) wrote:
> Hi all,

(copying in Michael for vhost user maintainer).

> We found that the downtime of migration will reach a few seconds when live
> migrating a huge VM with 224vCPU/180GiB/16 vhost-user nics (x32 queues)/
> 24 vhost-user-blk disks(x4 queues), most of the time is spent in the
> position of stopping the device at src and starting device at dst.

I suspect that's more vhost-user devices than anyone else has run on a
single VM!

> Our idea is to stop the device through multiple threads during the end of
> migration. To be more specific, we create thread pool at the beginning of live
> migraion, when migration thread call virtio_vmstate_change callback to stop or
> start device in vm_state_notify, it will submits request to thread pool to
> handle the callback concurrently.
> 
> We live migrate the vm and count the cost time at different stages of
> stopping/starting devices.
> 
>   -       -     -                 Cost: Original    With state change concurrently
>                 get vring base             36ms          18ms
>         disk    disable guest notify       48ms          32ms
>                 disable host notify        300ms         120ms
> Src             get vring base             1376ms        294ms
>         net     disable host notify        1011ms        116ms
>                 disable guest notify       59ms          40ms
>  -       -      -
>                 enable guest notify        310ms         97ms
>         net     set memtable               48ms          20ms
>                 enable host notify         2022ms        114ms 
> Dst             enable host notify         312ms         78ms
>         disk    enable guest notify        32ms          23ms
>                 set memTable               16ms          10ms
> Total Downtime                             5600ms        962ms
> 
> However, there are some side effects:
> 1. When disable host notify or guest notify concurrently, the vm will be crashed
> due to disabling same notify at the different threads, we now add two different lock
> to solve this problem, it is hacking to do so and may be resulting in other problems.
> 
> 2. As the QEMU BQL will be held by migration thread before stopping device in
> migration_completion, there will be deadlock in the following scene:
> migration_thread                              [thread 1]
>   set_up_multithread
>   ...
>   migration_completion()# get QEMU BQL
>     qemu_mutex_lock_iothread()
>     vm_stop_force_state()
>     ...
>       submit stopping device request
>       to thread pool
>                                            virtio_vmstate_change
>                                              virtio_set_status
>                                              ...
>                                                memory_region_transaction_begin
>                                                ...
>                                                  prepare_mmio_access
>                                                    qemu_mutex_iothread_locked()# N
>                                                    qemu_mutex_lock_iothread()# deadlock
> 
> Now we add another lock to replace the BQL in this scene to solve the problem,
> but we think this is not reliable enough and has potential risk that other
> processes will also use the QEMU BQL during the process of stopping device. My
> question is: how to deal with the conflict with QEMU BQL properly.
> 
> Any advice will be appreciated, thanks.

To me it feels like the other way here would be to explicitly split
each of these stages into two; one where it sends the request to the
vhost device and the other it waits for the response from the vhost-user
device;  (i.e. in the vhost_user case after the vhost_user_write but
before the vhost_user_read) - so instead of parallelising everything in
threads, you'd parallelise all of the corresponding operations;
so all of the get_vring_base's happen at the same time.

Michael: Would this make sense as a thing to change VhostOps
get_vring_base and many of the others into two part operations?
(or maybe coroutines with a yield in???)

Dave
-- 
Dr. David Alan Gilbert / dgilbert@redhat.com / Manchester, UK



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