From: Kevin Wolf <kwolf@redhat.com>
To: Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy <vsementsov@virtuozzo.com>
Cc: Nir Soffer <nirsof@gmail.com>, qemu-block <qemu-block@nongnu.org>,
QEMU Developers <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
Max Reitz <mreitz@redhat.com>, Nir Soffer <nsoffer@redhat.com>,
Eric Blake <eblake@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] qemu-{img,nbd}: Don't report zeroed cluster as a hole
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 13:21:45 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <YMNHSZ+Dc8v7/80Q@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <49ed9c03-eb24-4e8a-1b5f-8a291466a7b9@virtuozzo.com>
Am 11.06.2021 um 10:14 hat Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy geschrieben:
> 11.06.2021 11:09, Kevin Wolf wrote:
> > Am 10.06.2021 um 22:46 hat Eric Blake geschrieben:
> > > On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:09:05PM +0300, Nir Soffer wrote:
> > > > > But:
> > > > >
> > > > > $ qemu-img map --output=json -f qcow2 json:'{"driver":"qcow2","backing":null, \
> > > > > "file":{"driver":"file","filename":"top.qcow2"}}'
> > > > > [{ "start": 0, "length": 65536, "depth": 0, "zero": true, "data": false},
> > > > > { "start": 65536, "length": 65536, "depth": 0, "zero": false, "data": true, "offset": 327680},
> > > > > { "start": 131072, "length": 131072, "depth": 0, "zero": true, "data": false}]
> > > > >
> > > > > also reports the entire file at "depth":0, which is misleading, since
> > > > > we have just been arguing from the qemu:allocation-depth perspective
> > > > > (and also from bdrv_block_status) that the qcow2 image is NOT 100%
> > > > > allocated (in the sense where allocation == data comes locally).
> > > > > Perhaps it might be better if we tweaked the above qemu-img map to
> > > > > produce:
> > > > >
> > > > > [{ "start": 0, "length": 65536, "depth": -1, "zero": true, "data": false},
> > > > > { "start": 65536, "length": 65536, "depth": 0, "zero": false, "data": true, "offset": 327680},
> > > > > { "start": 131072, "length": 65536, "depth": 0, "zero": true, "data": false},
> > > > > { "start": 196608, "length": 65536, "depth": -1, "zero": true, "data": false}]
> > > >
> > > > It will be more consistent with "offset" to drop "depth" from output
> > > > if we don't have it:
> > > >
> > > > [{ "start": 0, "length": 65536, "zero": true, "data": false},
> > > > { "start": 65536, "length": 65536, "depth": 0, "zero": false,
> > > > "data": true, "offset": 327680},
> > > > { "start": 131072, "length": 65536, "depth": 0, "zero": true,
> > > > "data": false},
> > > > { "start": 196608, "length": 65536, "zero": true, "data": false}]
> > >
> > > Yes, that might work as well. But we didn't previously document
> > > depth to be optional. Removing something from output risks breaking
> > > more downstream tools that expect it to be non-optional, compared to
> > > providing a new value.
> >
> > A negative value isn't any less unexpected than a missing key. I don't
> > think any existing tool would be able to handle it. Encoding different
> > meanings in a single value isn't very QAPI-like either. Usually strings
> > that are parsed are the problem, but negative integers really isn't that
> > much different. I don't really like this solution.
> >
> > Leaving out the depth feels like a better suggestion to me.
> >
> > But anyway, this seems to only happen at the end of the backing chain.
> > So if the backing chain consistents of n images, why not report 'depth':
> > n + 1? So, in the above example, you would get 1. I think this has the
> > best chances of tools actually working correctly with the new output,
> > even though it's still not unlikely to break something.
> >
>
> Did you consider just add a new field?
>
> So, "depth" keeps its meaning "which level provides data".
>
> And we add additional optional field like
>
> absolutely-completely-absent: bool
>
> Which is true if data is nowhere in the backing chain.
Or how about exposing BDRV_BLOCK_ALLOCATED as 'allocated': 'bool'? Which
I think is what the conclusion was already for NBD, so doing the same in
'qemu-img map' would be consistent.
This is, of course, almost the same as 'absolutely-completely-absent',
just without the negating the flag.
Kevin
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-06-11 11:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-06-07 20:22 [PATCH] qemu-{img,nbd}: Don't report zeroed cluster as a hole Nir Soffer
2021-06-07 21:22 ` Eric Blake
2021-06-07 22:04 ` Eric Blake
2021-06-08 16:38 ` Nir Soffer
2021-06-08 18:45 ` Eric Blake
2021-06-08 20:42 ` Nir Soffer
2021-06-10 18:34 ` Eric Blake
2021-06-10 20:09 ` Nir Soffer
2021-06-10 20:46 ` Eric Blake
2021-06-11 8:09 ` Kevin Wolf
2021-06-11 8:14 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-06-11 9:05 ` Nir Soffer
2021-06-11 11:14 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-06-11 11:21 ` Kevin Wolf [this message]
2021-06-11 13:04 ` Vladimir Sementsov-Ogievskiy
2021-06-11 13:31 ` Eric Blake
2021-06-11 13:28 ` Eric Blake
2021-06-11 17:35 ` Nir Soffer
2021-06-11 18:34 ` Eric Blake
2021-06-11 21:23 ` Nir Soffer
2021-06-11 21:41 ` Eric Blake
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