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From: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Hailiang Zhang <zhang.zhanghailiang@huawei.com>,
	Juan Quintela <quintela@redhat.com>,
	"qemu-devel@nongnu.org" <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
	"Dr . David Alan Gilbert" <dgilbert@redhat.com>,
	"Wang, Wei W" <wei.w.wang@intel.com>,
	Leonardo Bras Soares Passos <lsoaresp@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] migration: Move bitmap_mutex out of migration_bitmap_clear_dirty()
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 13:39:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YOSVZLwZzY/rZ0db@t490s> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f554501a-19d9-a22d-f399-5db4dbb81764@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jul 06, 2021 at 12:05:49PM +0200, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 06.07.21 11:41, Wang, Wei W wrote:
> > On Monday, July 5, 2021 9:42 PM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > On 03.07.21 04:53, Wang, Wei W wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 2, 2021 3:07 PM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > > On 02.07.21 04:48, Wang, Wei W wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, July 1, 2021 10:22 PM, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > > > > > On 01.07.21 14:51, Peter Xu wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think that clearly shows the issue.
> > > > > 
> > > > > My theory I did not verify yet: Assume we have 1GB chunks in the clear bmap.
> > > > > Assume the VM reports all pages within a 1GB chunk as free (easy with
> > > > > a fresh VM). While processing hints, we will clear the bits from the
> > > > > dirty bmap in the RAMBlock. As we will never migrate any page of that
> > > > > 1GB chunk, we will not actually clear the dirty bitmap of the memory
> > > > > region. When re-syncing, we will set all bits bits in the dirty bmap
> > > > > again from the dirty bitmap in the memory region. Thus, many of our
> > > > > hints end up being mostly ignored. The smaller the clear bmap chunk, the
> > > more extreme the issue.
> > > > 
> > > > OK, that looks possible. We need to clear the related bits from the
> > > > memory region bitmap before skipping the free pages. Could you try with
> > > below patch:
> > > 
> > > I did a quick test (with the memhog example) and it seems like it mostly works.
> > > However, we're now doing the bitmap clearing from another, racing with the
> > > migration thread. Especially:
> > > 
> > > 1. Racing with clear_bmap_set() via cpu_physical_memory_sync_dirty_bitmap()
> > > 2. Racing with migration_bitmap_clear_dirty()
> > > 
> > > So that might need some thought, if I'm not wrong.
> > 
> > I think this is similar to the non-clear_bmap case, where the rb->bmap is set or cleared by
> > the migration thread and qemu_guest_free_page_hint. For example, the migration thread
> > could find a bit is set from rb->bmap before qemu_guest_free_page_hint gets that bit cleared in time.
> > The result is that the free page is transferred, which isn't necessary, but won't cause any issue.
> > This is very rare in practice.
> 
> Here are my concerns regarding races:
> 
> a) We now end up calling migration_clear_memory_region_dirty_bitmap()
> without holding the bitmap_mutex. We have to clarify if that is ok. At least
> migration_bitmap_clear_dirty() holds it *while* clearing the log and
> migration_bitmap_sync() while setting bits in the clear_bmap. I think we
> also have to hold the mutex on the new path.

Makes sense; I think we can let bitmap_mutex to protect both dirty/clear
bitmaps, and also the dirty pages counter.  I'll comment in Wei's patch too later.

> 
> b) We now can end up calling memory_region_clear_dirty_bitmap()
> concurrently, not sure if all notifiers can handle that. I'd assume it is
> okay, but I wouldn't bet on it.

Yes, kvm should be the only one that uses it for real, while there's the slots
lock in kvm_physical_log_clear(), looks okay so far.

We'd better not turn off clear dirty log for this; it's a feature that I know
brought lots of benefits to get dirty logging, and we're even considering to
enable it for dirty ring so dirty ring can also benefit from it.

Thanks,

-- 
Peter Xu



  reply	other threads:[~2021-07-06 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-30 20:08 [PATCH] migration: Move bitmap_mutex out of migration_bitmap_clear_dirty() Peter Xu
2021-07-01  4:42 ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-01 12:51   ` Peter Xu
2021-07-01 14:21     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-07-02  2:48       ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-02  7:06         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-07-03  2:53           ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-05 13:41             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-07-06  9:41               ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-06 10:05                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-07-06 17:39                   ` Peter Xu [this message]
2021-07-07 12:45                     ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-07 16:45                       ` Peter Xu
2021-07-07 23:25                         ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-08  0:21                           ` Peter Xu
2021-07-06 17:47             ` Peter Xu
2021-07-07  8:34               ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-07 16:54                 ` Peter Xu
2021-07-08  2:55                   ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-08 18:10                     ` Peter Xu
2021-07-02  2:29     ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-06 17:59       ` Peter Xu
2021-07-07  8:33         ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-07 16:44           ` Peter Xu
2021-07-08  2:49             ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-08 18:30               ` Peter Xu
2021-07-09  8:58                 ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-09 14:48                   ` Peter Xu
2021-07-13  8:20                     ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-03 16:31 ` Lukas Straub
2021-07-04 14:14   ` Lukas Straub
2021-07-06 18:37     ` Peter Xu
2021-07-13  8:40 ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-13 10:22   ` David Hildenbrand
2021-07-14  5:03     ` Wang, Wei W
2021-07-13 15:59   ` Peter Xu
2021-07-14  5:04     ` Wang, Wei W

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